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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pretty much feel the same as all of you. If they move it should be back to LA... it makes too much sense considering its size, the new stadium being built there, and the fact that many in LA are still Raiders fans so one wouldn't have to worry about building up a new fanbase so much.
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Disagree with any notion they should be in LA. They should never be allowed to go back to LA. The fact the NFL has allowed AL Davis to swap city's back in forth like people swap underwear is rediculous. All the time holding each city hostage for more money. Don't pay , we leave.

If they leave Oak again they should never be allowed to return. Outside a New Franchise starting in LA , any city who loses a team should never get one back again IMO. If the current team wasn't worth fighting for now , don't reward the city a decade later with a second chance.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nabbs4u wrote:
Disagree with any notion they should be in LA. They should never be allowed to go back to LA. The fact the NFL has allowed AL Davis to swap city's back in forth like people swap underwear is rediculous. All the time holding each city hostage for more money. Don't pay , we leave.

If they leave Oak again they should never be allowed to return. Outside a New Franchise starting in LA , any city who loses a team should never get one back again IMO. If the current team wasn't worth fighting for now , don't reward the city a decade later with a second chance.


Well thats certainly an opinion...
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God bless anyone who could support a team run by this...man...


I mean wth?!?!?!
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CalhounLambeau wrote:


God bless anyone who could support a team run by this...man...


I mean wth?!?!?!
He reminds me of Kathy Geiss from 30 Rock.


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Nabbs4u wrote:
Disagree with any notion they should be in LA. They should never be allowed to go back to LA. The fact the NFL has allowed AL Davis to swap city's back in forth like people swap underwear is rediculous. All the time holding each city hostage for more money. Don't pay , we leave.

If they leave Oak again they should never be allowed to return. Outside a New Franchise starting in LA , any city who loses a team should never get one back again IMO. If the current team wasn't worth fighting for now , don't reward the city a decade later with a second chance.


The problem with this logic is, sometimes a city could lose their team and the fans or city itself couldn't really stop it.

If by some miracle Bon Jovi buys the Bills and moves them to Toronto, do you really think Buffalo wouldn't deserve another franchise someday?
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Nabbs4u wrote:
Disagree with any notion they should be in LA. They should never be allowed to go back to LA. The fact the NFL has allowed AL Davis to swap city's back in forth like people swap underwear is rediculous. All the time holding each city hostage for more money. Don't pay , we leave.

If they leave Oak again they should never be allowed to return. Outside a New Franchise starting in LA , any city who loses a team should never get one back again IMO. If the current team wasn't worth fighting for now , don't reward the city a decade later with a second chance.

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Nabbs4u wrote:
Disagree with any notion they should be in LA. They should never be allowed to go back to LA. The fact the NFL has allowed AL Davis to swap city's back in forth like people swap underwear is rediculous. All the time holding each city hostage for more money. Don't pay , we leave.

If they leave Oak again they should never be allowed to return. Outside a New Franchise starting in LA , any city who loses a team should never get one back again IMO. If the current team wasn't worth fighting for now , don't reward the city a decade later with a second chance.
The Raiders left Los Angeles because an earthquake destroyed parts of the stadium and the city couldn't reach an agreement with Davis on how renovations would be done as a result. The city had already put a ton into renovations and were working on them before the earthquake caused the damage, so they were really strapped for cash to spend on the venue at the time. Not really fair to judge a city's ability to keep a team based on that fact.

Further, a city should never get a team because they didn't fight hard enough before? How hard is fighting hard enough? Did Cleveland not battle hard enough to keep the Browns? Did Seattle's citizens not do everything they could to try to keep the Super Sonics? What could Baltimore have done to keep the Colts? Who was going to stop Georgia Frontiere from moving the Rams to her hometown?
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How many times should the Davis's be allowed to leave Oakland only to return a decade or so later? I can't understand how anyone would think moving a Franchise 4x in 30 yrs between two seoerate cities is acceptable. Sorry its a joke.

Now if Mark moves them to San Antonio then 10 yrs from now a return to Oakland even if then they built a new stadium shouldn't be allowed. If the Jags are moved, hell no they shouldn't get another Franchise. If the Vikings were to have moved before the new stadium, no they shouldn't have gotten new Franchise. Minneapolis tax payers and city officials stepped up and kept the Vikings in Minnesota. That's not the case in Oakland is it?
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How many times should the Davis's be allowed to leave Oakland only to return a decade or so later? I can't understand how anyone would think moving a Franchise 4x in 30 yrs between two seoerate cities is acceptable. Sorry its a joke.
Why would it be a joke for an owner to operate in a way that he thinks is best for his business?
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iPwn wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:


God bless anyone who could support a team run by this...man...


I mean wth?!?!?!
He reminds me of Kathy Geiss from 30 Rock.



She is almost "GQ-esque" in comparison. Dude's hair is a national disaster. I mean, I dont care about hair at all and even I am like WTH?!?!?!
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How many times should the Davis's be allowed to leave Oakland only to return a decade or so later? I can't understand how anyone would think moving a Franchise 4x in 30 yrs between two seoerate cities is acceptable. Sorry its a joke.

Now if Mark moves them to San Antonio then 10 yrs from now a return to Oakland even if then they built a new stadium shouldn't be allowed. If the Jags are moved, hell no they shouldn't get another Franchise. If the Vikings were to have moved before the new stadium, no they shouldn't have gotten new Franchise. Minneapolis tax payers and city officials stepped up and kept the Vikings in Minnesota. That's not the case in Oakland is it?


I am struggling to figure out why you are assuming they would return 10 years later. Is it because it happened 1 time before?

Things change. Political climates change. Financial climates change. Public opinion changes. It's beyond idiotic to slam the door on the actual thought process with "all or nothing" opinions like yours. With each case there are very specific circumstances that led to a teams departure. And there are changing circumstances that may lead to a better result further down the road. Why ignore all that in favor of a policy that ignores everything outside of one fact?
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Nabbs4u wrote:
How many times should the Davis's be allowed to leave Oakland only to return a decade or so later? I can't understand how anyone would think moving a Franchise 4x in 30 yrs between two seoerate cities is acceptable. Sorry its a joke.
Why would it be a joke for an owner to operate in a way that he thinks is best for his business?


He has every right to do what's best for His business. The NFL doesn't have to cater to that type of upheaval for a fan base every decade. Don't move to LA if it won't work long term. Don't move back to Oak if it didn't work out long term the first time and damn sure don't move back again to a place that failed the time before that.

That's a joke.
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iPwn wrote:
Nabbs4u wrote:
How many times should the Davis's be allowed to leave Oakland only to return a decade or so later? I can't understand how anyone would think moving a Franchise 4x in 30 yrs between two seoerate cities is acceptable. Sorry its a joke.
Why would it be a joke for an owner to operate in a way that he thinks is best for his business?


He has every right to do what's best for His business. The NFL doesn't have to cater to that type of upheaval for a fan base every decade. Don't move to LA if it won't work long term. Don't move back to Oak if it didn't work out long term the first time and damn sure don't move back again to a place that failed the time before that.

That's a joke.


Who is to say it wont?
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J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Nabbs4u wrote:
iPwn wrote:
Nabbs4u wrote:
How many times should the Davis's be allowed to leave Oakland only to return a decade or so later? I can't understand how anyone would think moving a Franchise 4x in 30 yrs between two seoerate cities is acceptable. Sorry its a joke.
Why would it be a joke for an owner to operate in a way that he thinks is best for his business?


He has every right to do what's best for His business. The NFL doesn't have to cater to that type of upheaval for a fan base every decade. Don't move to LA if it won't work long term. Don't move back to Oak if it didn't work out long term the first time and damn sure don't move back again to a place that failed the time before that.

That's a joke.


Who is to say it wont?


The sentence you highlighted was the first move , which didn't. So if the Panthers moved to LA and left Charlotte. Would you be fine with that? How about if they actually came back to Charlotte only to a decade later say we're moving away again. How on Earth is that fair to either fan base? That's what Al Davis and now potentially his son are doing to millions of Raiders fan which is unfair in my mind.
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