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Who will win the starting LG spot out of training camp?
Charlie Johnson
20%
 20%  [ 5 ]
David Yankey
62%
 62%  [ 15 ]
Jeff Baca
16%
 16%  [ 4 ]
Vladimir Ducasse
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
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ArcticNorseman


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yankey will win the job.

Johnson will be cut.

As WC said, if Johnson wins that position battle, the Vikes offense will be in trouble again. He can't handle the DTs he faces in pass-protection, much prove he's capable to pick up a middle blitz.

As for Yankey missing OTAs, he's got the best opportunity in the world to prove his intelligence . . . and if he's truly got that mean streak, he'll be in good shape.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not only that, but Jeff Davidson is still here.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, we have to remember to keep expectations realistic for Yankey.

He's a 5th round rookie transitioning to the NFL from a very specific, unique collegiate blocking scheme. He's not overly special in any area, not a great athlete and not an intimidating mauler. His tape shows a 3rd-4th round OG IMO, factor in poor combine and 5th round was about right. I'm a lifelong Stanford fan and have watched Yankey's career there. Expecting him to start the opener and play well is setting yourself up for disappointment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jshowers wrote:
Guys, we have to remember to keep expectations realistic for Yankey.

He's a 5th round rookie transitioning to the NFL from a very specific, unique collegiate blocking scheme. He's not overly special in any area, not a great athlete and not an intimidating mauler. His tape shows a 3rd-4th round OG IMO, factor in poor combine and 5th round was about right. I'm a lifelong Stanford fan and have watched Yankey's career there. Expecting him to start the opener and play well is setting yourself up for disappointment.


I'm not expecting Yankey to dominate, but I've seen enough of Johnson to know that unless he's juicing, he won't be able to cut it . . . and all of us loyal forum members will be complaining about the QB not passing worth a crap and being jittery in the pocket -- again. It'd be the same ole', same ole" "How come this team is losing . . . Musgrave did better at play calling than Turner is . . . Adrian can't run the ball." Then we'll all look at the stats and see that on 3rd down, the QB is getting hammered or Adrian's getting stacked up because the defender over Johnson wins the battle 75% of the time on 2nd or 3rd and long.

Maybe the same thing will happen if Baca or Yankey are in there . . . maybe not. There's only one way to find out though.

If none of these guys does well, I'd be surprised, but then there is Tiny Richardson . . . Kalil would need to split out a bit wider then. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good NFL QB should hide the flaws of a LG, its such an insignificant position. A smart QB will make their Oline around them better than they truly are. MN hasnt had a good QB to confirm this, but look around the league, you dont need a good LG. Mediocre will be good enough.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
A good NFL QB should hide the flaws of a LG, its such an insignificant position.


You better not tell that to Steve Hutchinson and Randall McDaniel.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disaacs wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
A good NFL QB should hide the flaws of a LG, its such an insignificant position.


You better not tell that to Steve Hutchinson and Randall McDaniel.


Its all relative though. The Vikes already have a good RG and C. They can scheme to protect the weak link at LG, especially if Kalil develops into a great LT as we expect.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope Yankey wins.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, our choices are:

"I'm a Yankey doodle dandy"
"Check out my Johnson"
"Baca to the future"
"Ducasse and effect"?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
A good NFL QB should hide the flaws of a LG, its such an insignificant position. A smart QB will make their Oline around them better than they truly are. MN hasnt had a good QB to confirm this, but look around the league, you dont need a good LG. Mediocre will be good enough.


Just to be clear . . . you're saying when Peyton Manning was Johnson's QB, he covered for Johnson's weaknesses? But because Ponder, Cassel or any other Vikes QB recently, aren't Manning-caliber, they can't hide the weakness?

I'll also throw this out there . . . when you have a dominating O-line and good skill position players around an average QB, what's typically the result? Yeah, they make the QB look better. Let's say Kurt Warner and the other Rams' QBs didn't have Orlando Pace and Adam Timmerman or that receiving corps and Marshall . . . or more recently, when QBs like Brees, Brady, Rodgers and Manning lose quality interior linemen, how does their play get affected?

Bottomline is some QBs need to totally trust their O-lines, while others can trust them to do just enough -- that's where mediocre comes in. Big Ben couldn't win with the Steelers the past couple years because of that. Brady and Brees, Matty Ice, Rodgers . . . they all have down years when their O-lines lose guys or have mediocre players, or a lack of chemistry on the o-line.

So, for our Vikes, there is no Hutch or Randall on the roster. We'll need the chemistry. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArcticNorseman wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
A good NFL QB should hide the flaws of a LG, its such an insignificant position. A smart QB will make their Oline around them better than they truly are. MN hasnt had a good QB to confirm this, but look around the league, you dont need a good LG. Mediocre will be good enough.


Just to be clear . . . you're saying when Peyton Manning was Johnson's QB, he covered for Johnson's weaknesses? But because Ponder, Cassel or any other Vikes QB recently, aren't Manning-caliber, they can't hide the weakness?

I'll also throw this out there . . . when you have a dominating O-line and good skill position players around an average QB, what's typically the result? Yeah, they make the QB look better. Let's say Kurt Warner and the other Rams' QBs didn't have Orlando Pace and Adam Timmerman or that receiving corps and Marshall . . . or more recently, when QBs like Brees, Brady, Rodgers and Manning lose quality interior linemen, how does their play get affected?

Bottomline is some QBs need to totally trust their O-lines, while others can trust them to do just enough -- that's where mediocre comes in. Big Ben couldn't win with the Steelers the past couple years because of that. Brady and Brees, Matty Ice, Rodgers . . . they all have down years when their O-lines lose guys or have mediocre players, or a lack of chemistry on the o-line.

So, for our Vikes, there is no Hutch or Randall on the roster. We'll need the chemistry. Wink


We have Fusco, Loadholt and Sullivan who are all graded as top players at their positions. Kalil has a ways to go. Point is when 4 of your 5 lineman are above average to good, you have the pieces to not need a great LG.

Yes, a smart QB will make the line play better than they truly are. Charlie Johnson was the starting LT for several season with Peyton Manning, no one really noticed him because Manning made smart decisions. Ponder consistently made poor decisions in the pocket, but Cassel seems to have better pocket awareness but throws some very questionable passes.

Why do you think teams with great QBs consistently churn out good Olineman?
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