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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject: Y2's 2014 Roster Preview/Predictions #85 Posted 6/6 Reply with quote

I'm going to try and do things a bit different than a normal 53-man prediction in order to keep things interesting throughout the offseason. Instead of giving a player by player prediction in one thread to guess the 53-man roster, I'm going to (try to) go with one player a day counting down until the roster cutdown to 53 players. It's going to go in reverse order of who I think will make contributions to the team large and small, and sort of work like my player power rankings last year. The players will be ranked on expected contributions this year mostly, but in some cases beyond (since obviously players like Brandon Thomas won't be seeing the field, but will obviously be among my top 50 or so players). This will also, then, be my guess as to who will be on the 53-man roster this season.

Make sure to check this first post for quick links to the newly ranked players.

85) Josh Johnson, QB
86) Chase Thomas, LB
87) James McCray, S
88) Kevin Greene, TE
--) Al Netter, G (Released 6/3)
89) David Reed, WR
90) Colton Schmidt, P
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, what you're saying is that I'll look mighty foolish with my Colton Schmidt jersey...
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rudyZ wrote:
So, what you're saying is that I'll look mighty foolish with my Colton Schmidt jersey...


I just invested $500 into Colton Schmidt rookie cards, so I hope Y2 is wrong on this.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoCalNiner wrote:
rudyZ wrote:
So, what you're saying is that I'll look mighty foolish with my Colton Schmidt jersey...


I just invested $500 into Colton Schmidt rookie cards, so I hope Y2 is wrong on this.


I agreed to name my first kid Colton Schmidt Lamanaki, so I've got you both beat in the mistakes column...especially since my last name isn't even Lamanaki!
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

y2lamanaki wrote:
SoCalNiner wrote:
rudyZ wrote:
So, what you're saying is that I'll look mighty foolish with my Colton Schmidt jersey...


I just invested $500 into Colton Schmidt rookie cards, so I hope Y2 is wrong on this.


I agreed to name my first kid Colton Schmidt Lamanaki, so I've got you both beat in the mistakes column...especially since my last name isn't even Lamanaki!



You're better off with Lamanaki, because Colton Schmidt Smith sounds dumb as hell.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the idea of this thread. Will be very currious when you get down below 60 or so, although you may have some surprises for us before then.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Archiving #90. For future reference, I'll update the first post of this thread with the URL for the next roster member to find updates easier. So check that!

90) Colton Schmidt, P

Chance of the 53-man roster: Next to none
Chance at the practice squad: None

Ranking #90 was not a problem. Colton Schmidt is the only player on the current 90-man roster that is very clearly not going to be on the team. I list him as 'next to none,' giving him his only minute chance to some terrible injury luck that hits Andy Lee (or some whacky Tanya Harding-like buffoonery). Even in that scenario - I imagine there would be some look around at free agent punters to bring someone in. There's no use for a punter on a practice squad, so he certainly won't be appearing there. Schmidt knows he's a camp leg meant to keep Dawson/Lee fresh for the season, so he's not useless. He's the 2nd all-time leading punter at UC-Davis and holds the record for punting average in a season there as well, and was named All-Great West Conference 2nd Team his senior year.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

89) David Reed, WR

Chance of the 53-man roster: Next to none
Chance at the practice squad: None

A quick browse-through of the roster might lead to some other names that make you question 'Who?' more than Reed would. After all, Reed's been around the NFL for a few years, and while former fifth round draft pick's career stats might be incredibly modest (6 receptions, 68 yards), he's still contributed more than a few of these guys ever will. That said, this isn't an exact power ranking as I mentioned earlier, and he's ranked based on his expected contributions to the team, which is to say - very likely none. Having been around for 5 seasons, he has no practice squad eligibility, and as a WR, there are three ways he can make the roster - as a receiver, on Special Teams, and specifically as a return man. Well, given that Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, Patton, and Ellington (not to mention Brandon Lloyd) are all FAR more likely to make the roster, his only chance to make the team is through any of the Special Teams roles. The problem is, in terms of receivers he's not likely to beat out Osgood (should Osgood even make the team), and in terms of returners, James, Ellington, and perhaps even Devon Wylie are all likely in front of him. In other words, David Reed is the safest bet to not contribute to this team in any way.

For his part as a returner, he is a former AFC Special Teams player of the Week after he returned a kick 103 yards for a touchdown with the Ravens in his rookie season, and as a freshman in college he was also All-Midwest Conference honorable mention as a kick returner. If he's going to earn a spot, it will have to be via some spectacular preseason returns (and as Lavelle Hawkins proved last year, that doesn't necessarily mean anything either).
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--) Al Netter, G

Chance of the 53-man roster: Next to none
Chance at the practice squad: None

It's put up or shut up time for Al Netter as it relates to the 49ers. He's used up his two years of practice squad eligibility now, which means it's the active roster or bust. Given that he's behind Iupati, Boone, Kilgore, Snyder, both Martins, Looney, and probably Seymour, it's relatively safe to say he won't be making the roster. Last preseason wasn't the greatest, and whatever he's developed into at this point is what we're going to be looking at keeping him for. Not seeing much hope for this. Another team might find it worth it to give him a look, but despite potentially losing Iupati and Boone in the next few years, we have a long waiting list of prospects behind them that seem more likely than Netter. Really, the only way I see Netter bumping up this list is if I messed up his eligibility requirements and somehow he's still eligible for the practice squad. Then, there's hope.

Al Netter, in college, was an Outland Trophy candidate his senior year (most outstanding lineman), and was Academic All-Big 10 his last 3 years on campus. Remained healthy throughout his time at Northwestern and made 52 consecutive starts.
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There is no two year rule for practice squad eligibility. You cannot exceed three years. Therefore, Al Netter is still practice squad eligible.
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struby3 wrote:
There is no two year rule for practice squad eligibility. You cannot exceed three years. Therefore, Al Netter is still practice squad eligible.


I could be wrong on this, but a player only gets the third year of eligibility if the team keeps a full 53-man roster at all-times. Last year, the 49ers placed Mario Manningham on IR before the final game against the Cardinals, and kept the active roster at 52 players through that game until resigning Perrish Cox the day after the regular season, which should ruin the 3rd year eligibility (as I understand it). That's why most teams will perform transactions on the same day normally.

If I'm wrong on his eligibility (and with all the weird nuances of the way NFL rosters work, there's a real good chance I am), his position as #88 on my list wouldn't change, but he'd go from 'none' for practice squad chances to 'low.' He wasn't initially signed to last year's squad, and Bykowski (as a T) would be a prime candidate to return. Team won't keep more than 2 linemen on the practice squad, and there's still Ryan Seymour with eligibility, as well as Fonoti, Farrell, and anyone else the team might find on the waiver wire.
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88) Kevin Greene, TE

Chance at the 53-man roster: Next to none
Chance at the practice squad: Low

Kevin Greene is a really interesting signing from the standpoint that it's hard to imagine what he's actually on the roster for. He was rarely-used as a pass-rusher for his first few years at USC, and switched back and forth between OLB and TE in his senior year, and registered no receptions as a TE (or as anything for that matter). He performed at his Pro Day as a TE, and is listed as a TE on the 49ers roster. Given his lack of a true position and any sort of meaningful contributions at USC, it's safe to assume he's not going to outseat any incumbents by the end of September. However, given that he was given a contract after the local prospects tryout recently, the staff must have seen something they liked and thought they could work with. Given that Bruce Miller has made an incredibly successful transition from DE to FB, if the coaching staff feels he can eventually contribute, he may have an outside shot at sticking on the practice squad. However, the team will only keep, at most, two receiving targets on the practice squad. That means Greene needs to outperform guys like Chuck Jacobs, Devon Wylie, Derek Carrier, and Asante Cleveland for that spot.

For Kevin Greene, the definition of 'rarely used as a pass rusher' means 8 tackles, 2 sacks, and 1 fumble recovery as his full career stats.
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y2lamanaki wrote:
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There is no two year rule for practice squad eligibility. You cannot exceed three years. Therefore, Al Netter is still practice squad eligible.


I could be wrong on this, but a player only gets the third year of eligibility if the team keeps a full 53-man roster at all-times. Last year, the 49ers placed Mario Manningham on IR before the final game against the Cardinals, and kept the active roster at 52 players through that game until resigning Perrish Cox the day after the regular season, which should ruin the 3rd year eligibility (as I understand it). That's why most teams will perform transactions on the same day normally.

If I'm wrong on his eligibility (and with all the weird nuances of the way NFL rosters work, there's a real good chance I am), his position as #88 on my list wouldn't change, but he'd go from 'none' for practice squad chances to 'low.' He wasn't initially signed to last year's squad, and Bykowski (as a T) would be a prime candidate to return. Team won't keep more than 2 linemen on the practice squad, and there's still Ryan Seymour with eligibility, as well as Fonoti, Farrell, and anyone else the team might find on the waiver wire.


Actually, I think you are right. I always read the "roster cannot fall below 53 players during that player's employment" rule as a season-by-season rule. But after reading around, it does seem like that applies to the previous years. Therefore, Netter is likely PS eligible for other teams, but not for us.

Either way, doesn't matter. Like you said, Bykowski and Seymour are better practice squad candidates. The coaches have been around Netter enough to know what he does and doesn't bring to the table. Nothing points to him making the team.
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I find Kevin Greene mildly intriguing because he is so athletic. But then again, so is Derek Carrier. And Carrier has been around the league for two years now and produced a lot more in college (albeit at a small school). These two are fighting for the same practice squad spot, unless Carrier can bump Celek off the roster. It'll be interesting to watch both of them in the preseason games.

By the way y2, I'm enjoying the reads, but I hate not reading works in full. Think you can sit down for the next couple days or so and write all of your predictions down? Come on, don't be like George RR Martin. You're killing us. Wink
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struby3 wrote:
I find Kevin Greene mildly intriguing because he is so athletic. But then again, so is Derek Carrier. And Carrier has been around the league for two years now and produced a lot more in college (albeit at a small school). These two are fighting for the same practice squad spot, unless Carrier can bump Celek off the roster. It'll be interesting to watch both of them in the preseason games.

By the way y2, I'm enjoying the reads, but I hate not reading works in full. Think you can sit down for the next couple days or so and write all of your predictions down? Come on, don't be like George RR Martin. You're killing us. Wink


Looks like we were right on how little it mattered for Netter.

And thanks for the kind words. I don't have a lot of time to sit down and write something long for the foreseeable future, so this way of doing things makes it more likely that I'll do it.
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