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How will the 2014 Vikings offense compare to last year?
Much better
37%
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Better
53%
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More or less the same
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Worse
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SemperFeist


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virginia Viking wrote:
PaulWall_23 wrote:
Starting to get sick of blaming coaches. I couldn't wait to get rid of Musgrave and Bevell. Bevell leaves and wins a Super Bowl with Seattle. Sure Norv's system can be dated at times, but if the players block better and Teddy takes care of the ball better...we aren't even having the conversation.

The Cowboys are doing pretty well using the run to set-up the pass. It also worked for Seattle last year.


Coaches have two tasks: 1) Prepare the team for the opponent they face in the next contest. This includes developing a scheme to counter and control what the opponent is able to do. It also requires getting the best out of their players talents. Defensively, we have seen a remarkable improvement in the players performance, compared to previous years, especially in the secondary. The offensive players, especially the line, has regressed to an unacceptable outcome. 2) Make adjustments in strategy and personnel according to what is happening during the contest. Again, the defense makes crucial in game adjustments making the sure the right package of players in on the field for the right situation. The offense seems confused and inconsistent. A rookie qb should NOT be placed in the position of carrying the offense...but that's what's being asked of Bridgewater. Yes, the offense has seen injuries and the suspension of out best players. It happens to other teams as well. They adjust. The Vikings seem incapable.
At some point, fingers need to be pointed at coaches. Turner has never been the offensive coordinator that his "reputation" presents. Davidson is not getting the best out of the members of the O Line as a unit. The WR's, who are NOT mediocre talent wise, are mediocre to poor in production. It all points to the coaches of the offense, and ultimately, rests on the desk of Mike Zimmer.

Very well said.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SemperFeist wrote:
Whether it's Childress's/Musgrave's west coast style or Turner's Coryell style, they all are predicated on using the run to set up the pass. Which no matter which way you look at it, is an outdated practice. The Vikings need to move a new era offense and quit trying to live in the 90's.


So you wanted us to hire a guy who would minimize the opportunities of our best and highest-paid player going into the season?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
SemperFeist wrote:
Whether it's Childress's/Musgrave's west coast style or Turner's Coryell style, they all are predicated on using the run to set up the pass. Which no matter which way you look at it, is an outdated practice. The Vikings need to move a new era offense and quit trying to live in the 90's.


So you wanted us to hire a guy who would minimize the opportunities of our best and highest-paid player going into the season?


I find that opinion odd, considering the last 3 Super Bowl champions pretty much historically do exactly that, use the run to set up the pass. The Giants primarily did that with Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs...the Ravens did that with Ray Rice, and the Seahawks did that with Marshawn Lynch.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
SemperFeist wrote:
Whether it's Childress's/Musgrave's west coast style or Turner's Coryell style, they all are predicated on using the run to set up the pass. Which no matter which way you look at it, is an outdated practice. The Vikings need to move a new era offense and quit trying to live in the 90's.


So you wanted us to hire a guy who would minimize the opportunities of our best and highest-paid player going into the season?

Yes, to put it simply.

This team had spent the last 7 season running the offense through Peterson and in the grand scheme of things what did it get them? A losing record, and the team's 3rd coaching staff in that time frame. It was time to completely change the way the team operated. I thought the hiring of Turner signified that they'd be more pass oriented, but so far this season it looks like Turner was 100% relying on Peterson to run his offense, and he hasn't been able to make the adjustment.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disaacs wrote:
Klomp wrote:
SemperFeist wrote:
Whether it's Childress's/Musgrave's west coast style or Turner's Coryell style, they all are predicated on using the run to set up the pass. Which no matter which way you look at it, is an outdated practice. The Vikings need to move a new era offense and quit trying to live in the 90's.


So you wanted us to hire a guy who would minimize the opportunities of our best and highest-paid player going into the season?


I find that opinion odd, considering the last 3 Super Bowl champions pretty much historically do exactly that, use the run to set up the pass. The Giants primarily did that with Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs...the Ravens did that with Ray Rice, and the Seahawks did that with Marshawn Lynch.

You mean the season where the Giants relied on Manning's near 5000 yard season, or the 37 pass attempts per game? The season where the Giants didn't even average 90 yards per game rushing? Yeah, that sounds like a team that used the run to set up the pass.

Or the Ravens who, at that time, got Joe Flacco's most productive season, but Ray Rice's least? Doesn't sound like a team that relied more on the run.

I'll give you the Seahwaks, but everyone knows that it was their defense.

The only common denominator between Super Bowl winners is that they generally ranked in the top ten in points scored per game. 8 out of the last 10 Super Bowl winners ranked in the top 10, with 5 out of the last 5.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This team had spent the last 7 season running the offense through Peterson and in the grand scheme of things what did it get them? A losing record


It got them three playoff berths, more than they had the previous seven years.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
SemperFeist wrote:
This team had spent the last 7 season running the offense through Peterson and in the grand scheme of things what did it get them? A losing record


It got them three playoff berths, more than they had the previous seven years.

And only 1 playoff win, half as many as the previous 7 years.

The Vikings haven't been a good team, consistently, for 15 years and the point is still the same, Peterson didn't change that. So why should they continue down the same path?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Vikings haven't been a good team, consistently, for 15 years and the point is still the same, Peterson didn't change that. So why should they continue down the same path?


Because he's still on the roster. Once he's not, they can go away from being a run-focused team
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Klomp wrote:
SemperFeist wrote:
The Vikings haven't been a good team, consistently, for 15 years and the point is still the same, Peterson didn't change that. So why should they continue down the same path?


Because he's still on the roster. Once he's not, they can go away from being a run-focused team

Do you know what the definition of insanity is?

The Vikings are on their way to have more losing seasons this decade, than any decade since the 60's, and we're only half way through this decade.

At what point do you say this isn't working and change what you're doing?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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definition of insanity is?


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insanity

I do now! Thanks for prompting me to figure it out Wink
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SemperFeist wrote:
Klomp wrote:
SemperFeist wrote:
This team had spent the last 7 season running the offense through Peterson and in the grand scheme of things what did it get them? A losing record


It got them three playoff berths, more than they had the previous seven years.

And only 1 playoff win, half as many as the previous 7 years.

The Vikings haven't been a good team, consistently, for 15 years and the point is still the same, Peterson didn't change that. So why should they continue down the same path?


actually, we've been competitive since like 96. Every other 4 years since that year, we've made the playoffs (96,00,04,08,12). Its the years in between we've been up and down. (The great success we've had in 98 and 09, and the miserable failures we've faced in 10 and 11).

Back to the point of this thread, Norv Turner is a frustrating playcaller, but we haven't done a great job executing either. It goes both ways.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turner is the worst play caller in the league. He needs to go!!
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Virginia Viking wrote:
Turner is the worst play caller in the league. He needs to go!!


No he's not. He's working with a regressing o line. A rookie QB. 1 guy that can legitimately call himself an NFL WR. A rookie running back and A practice squad TE.
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TENINCH wrote:
Virginia Viking wrote:
Turner is the worst play caller in the league. He needs to go!!


No he's not. He's working with a regressing o line. A rookie QB. 1 guy that can legitimately call himself an NFL WR. A rookie running back and A practice squad TE.

This guy gets it... Cool
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Turner might be working with less than anyone expected, but it's his in game decisions that leave a lot of questions to be answered. Like today, McKinnon was gashing the Buccaneers defense on the touchdown drive, so why did they stop giving him the ball and start solely giving the ball to Asiata in the remaining drives? Especially when, time after time, Asiata shows that he can't do anything unless he has a 5 yard wide hole in front of him.
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