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Wish this would have happened, the A's deserved a new park |
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Houston, we have a problem!!!
Oakland A's Finalize 10-Year Lease to Remain at Coliseum
"In the midst of an outstanding 2014 MLB season for the Oakland Athletics, the franchise learned more good news about its future when it finalized a 10-year deal to remain at the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum, better known as O.co."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2109753-oakland-as-finalize-10-year-lease-to-remain-at-coliseum
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Well looks more and more like LA. If it helps us retain our good players though seems like LA would be more a more attractive place to stay.
I hope they can get something done to stay in the Bay Area. Maybe when our lease is up we can share the 9'ers stadium until a new one is built.
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Oaktown is looking more and more like a bad area. Read a week ago that a reporter got her purse snatched after doing a report where another woman was mugged in the area.
LA has had its share of crime, but it's been a steady decline the past 5 years.
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daineraider
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| RaiderX wrote: | Oaktown is looking more and more like a bad area. Read a week ago that a reporter got her purse snatched after doing a report where another woman was mugged in the area.
LA has had its share of crime, but it's been a steady decline the past 5 years. |
I dont believe the decision to stay or move will be based on crime. Its going to come down to a stadium. LA looks more likely than Oakland to make that happen
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| I think it's time for bay area/ N Ca raider fans to accept the likelihood that the team is going to move as soon as a legitimate stadium deal happens, of course they are going to need league approval and meet other criteria to see it happen but unless a stadium can be built on some other parcel in the bay area or a long shot Sacramento deal I think this team is leaving Northern CA for the south. However I think one of the biggest sticking points will be who will be willing to fork out 500 million and not have some kind of control of the team. I have little doubt Al instructed Mark under no circumstances do you sell any of the controlling shares of the team. |
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What does this stadium lease deal for the A's actually mean with regards to the Raiders staying in Oakland (if anything)?
Is the city more likely to simply let the Raiders walk knowing that they have at least one professional sports franchise in town for at least another decade? Well, I don't mean let them walk, as such. Rather, not make them as good an offer to stay in town.
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Loveless
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| Nightmare wrote: | What does this stadium lease deal for the A's actually mean with regards to the Raiders staying in Oakland (if anything)?
Is the city more likely to simply let the Raiders walk knowing that they have at least one professional sports franchise in town for at least another decade? Well, I don't mean let them walk, as such. Rather, not make them as good an offer to stay in town. |
its complicated, since the A's signed a 10yr lease we cant really rebuild a stadium ontop of the one we have since the A's would be playing their...the A's would have to (or of 'had' to) come to an agreement with the Raiders before they signed that lease so that both teams could come to a conclusion on what they want, to renovate the stadium, build Coliseum City, or relocate both teams...what the A's have just done is completely destroy any leverage the Raiders had...also about the city..lets be honest our team hasnt won anything in a long time, also an NFL season is waaay shorter thus less money and if you have to keep one team you go with the $$...
Quick Quote from article above:
-Q: "If the A’s and Oakland do finalize this extension, does that take Coliseum City off the table, practically?"
-DAVIS: "See, that’s the thing. I don’t know how the deals are written up, I really don’t. But if they give an extension for 10 years for the A’s to be playing in that Coliseum, how could Colony Capital then build a development there?" |
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| Loveless wrote: | | Nightmare wrote: | What does this stadium lease deal for the A's actually mean with regards to the Raiders staying in Oakland (if anything)?
Is the city more likely to simply let the Raiders walk knowing that they have at least one professional sports franchise in town for at least another decade? Well, I don't mean let them walk, as such. Rather, not make them as good an offer to stay in town. |
its complicated, since the A's signed a 10yr lease we cant really rebuild a stadium ontop of the one we have since the A's would be playing their...the A's would have to (or of 'had' to) come to an agreement with the Raiders before they signed that lease so that both teams could come to a conclusion on what they want, to renovate the stadium, build Coliseum City, or relocate both teams...what the A's have just done is completely destroy any leverage the Raiders had...also about the city..lets be honest our team hasnt won anything in a long time, also an NFL season is waaay shorter thus less money and if you have to keep one team you go with the $$...
Quick Quote from article above:
-Q: "If the A’s and Oakland do finalize this extension, does that take Coliseum City off the table, practically?"
-DAVIS: "See, that’s the thing. I don’t know how the deals are written up, I really don’t. But if they give an extension for 10 years for the A’s to be playing in that Coliseum, how could Colony Capital then build a development there?" |
And seeing as a new stadium seems to be at the top of Mark's list, this creates a massive problem, I see.
I always thought if the city had a choice to keep one of it's 3 teams, they'd go with the Raiders. Yeah, the A's have overachieved and been very successful since the turn of the century, but the Raiders are the team with identity; the team that puts your city on the map, so to speak. Everyone knows the Raiders and what they stand for. Even with their success, the A's are a poorly supported MLB team. If they start to suck, and the Raiders put together a decent team just as they're on the way out the door, it could be a disaster for Oakland.
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LA, LA, LA.
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NickButera
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So much for the A's 10 yr deal. Oakland didn't even show up to vote on it 
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-boycotts-vote-on-A-s-10-year-coliseum-5584903.php?cmpid=twitter-mobile
Apparently the A's put in so many 'outs' in the deal, giving them a ton of control to break the lease whenever they wanted for various reasons. Leo Wolff is being smart about the situation.
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Baggabonez
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I've been saying for years the Raiders are moving. It's inevitable for one reason and one reason only. The residents of Oakland cannot afford to take on any additional tax burden in addition to California's already oppressive taxation. Imo, eventually three teams are gone.
What I am concerned about is how the NFL is going to build a stadium in LA without public funding? (Because LA doesn't want/ cannot afford additional taxes either) I think it will be the Rams & Raiders which the league doesn't want because both are devoid of starpower (ie-elite teams) and both can make a case that they already own the market hence won't pay a relocation fee.
Ultimately, this will end in litigation and the Rams and Raiders will move and not owe the NFL squat. Fan participation and support for TWO sub-.500 teams will be of extreme concern.
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RaiderX
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| daineraider wrote: | | RaiderX wrote: | Oaktown is looking more and more like a bad area. Read a week ago that a reporter got her purse snatched after doing a report where another woman was mugged in the area.
LA has had its share of crime, but it's been a steady decline the past 5 years. |
I dont believe the decision to stay or move will be based on crime. Its going to come down to a stadium. LA looks more likely than Oakland to make that happen |
My initial point that I made before was that its not a good destination. Not really accommodating for teams or even to draw a super bowl.
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RaiderX
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| Baggabonez wrote: |
I've been saying for years the Raiders are moving. It's inevitable for one reason and one reason only. The residents of Oakland cannot afford to take on any additional tax burden in addition to California's already oppressive taxation. Imo, eventually three teams are gone.
What I am concerned about is how the NFL is going to build a stadium in LA without public funding? (Because LA doesn't want/ cannot afford additional taxes either) I think it will be the Rams & Raiders which the league doesn't want because both are devoid of starpower (ie-elite teams) and both can make a case that they already own the market hence won't pay a relocation fee.
Ultimately, this will end in litigation and the Rams and Raiders will move and not owe the NFL squat. Fan participation and support for TWO sub-.500 teams will be of extreme concern. |
Raiders and Rams are HUGE down in So Cal still. People in LA might feel betrayed because the Rams left for Anaheim in the 80s and the Raiders took over.
I think the joint practices with the Cowboys in Oxnard is a subtle start.
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