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What will be the biggest 2015 draft need?
RB
16%
 16%  [ 2 ]
FB
8%
 8%  [ 1 ]
TE
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
OT
8%
 8%  [ 1 ]
OG
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
C
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Interior DL (DT/NT)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
DE
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
ILB
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
OLB
8%
 8%  [ 1 ]
CB
58%
 58%  [ 7 ]
P
0%
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SnA ExclusiVe


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RayReed2052 wrote:
sp6488 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
sp6488 wrote:
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Why is QB not an option?!?!


Would you honestly choose that?


Well let's think about this for a second..

Let's assume for a second Joe has another season like last year, or just another one of his patented "meh" seasons, and the Ravens miss the playoffs behind a lackluster offense, would QB not be a need in the draft, or would everyone still be complacent with mediocrity at the QB position?


Have you ever considered that, just maybe, when you are alone in an opinion or view that rather than possessing special perspective or secret knowledge, that you're the one who may be off?

I get that you are not a Flacco fan, but to claim that QB will be our biggest need is a bit ridiculous. Maybe if one applies all of the assumptions you have, then they can get there, but I think there are few that are viewing his regression as a trend that will continue downward, given all of the factors that others have mentioned above. Further, the cap hits make it an untenable move anyway.


Honestly, not calling out Sna's longevity as a ravens fan or anything, but i've watched every game since the 2003 season and I can 100% say Flacco was a big reason why we were even 8-8..without him playing as well as he did in some cases I think we could've been 6-10..team around him probably played their worst collective season since 07


It goes both ways. If you want to say without him we would've lost a couple more games you have to account for the Bills game where he threw 5 INT's and a couple other games where he flat out was miserable as well.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
RayReed2052 wrote:
sp6488 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
sp6488 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
Why is QB not an option?!?!


Would you honestly choose that?


Well let's think about this for a second..

Let's assume for a second Joe has another season like last year, or just another one of his patented "meh" seasons, and the Ravens miss the playoffs behind a lackluster offense, would QB not be a need in the draft, or would everyone still be complacent with mediocrity at the QB position?


Have you ever considered that, just maybe, when you are alone in an opinion or view that rather than possessing special perspective or secret knowledge, that you're the one who may be off?

I get that you are not a Flacco fan, but to claim that QB will be our biggest need is a bit ridiculous. Maybe if one applies all of the assumptions you have, then they can get there, but I think there are few that are viewing his regression as a trend that will continue downward, given all of the factors that others have mentioned above. Further, the cap hits make it an untenable move anyway.


Honestly, not calling out Sna's longevity as a ravens fan or anything, but i've watched every game since the 2003 season and I can 100% say Flacco was a big reason why we were even 8-8..without him playing as well as he did in some cases I think we could've been 6-10..team around him probably played their worst collective season since 07


It goes both ways. If you want to say without him we would've lost a couple more games you have to account for the Bills game where he threw 5 INT's and a couple other games where he flat out was miserable as well.


I honestly think we were able to overcome that Bills game if one of the INTs isn't a direct drop/deflection/int from Dickson and the game clinching one wasn't a tip to dallas clark.

But you're right in your logic, i'm just saying there were a lot more games last year that Flacco kept us in despite the running game and late-game defense than the other way around
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given how badly the O-line stunk up the joint last season, why would we assume any QB would have been markedly better than Joe? The amount of times he got the ball in his hands, only to be instantly rushed from two, three or even four different directions at once, we're just lucky he's a tough dude or Tyrod would have been starting by about week eight.

We know what Joe can do with a good O-line, and we know what happens when he has a bad one. Would he have been consistent with a good O-line? No idea.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on the information that we have right now, I would have to rank the positional needs as follows:

Cornerback - We have Jimmy Smith under contract for 2014 and 2015 and Webb is under contract through 2017. There's not too much after those two, though, and with the continuous increase in passing, having a good top three is in place is important. Maybe Asa Jackson will show something this season, but we still might want a potential long-term solution in place should we need to move on from one of Webb or Smith.

Pass Rusher (OLB) - Suggs and Doom are both high quality OLBs, but they are 31 and 30, respectively. None of the guys we have behind them are really double-digit sack potential guys (Simon, Upshaw, McPhee), so it would be huge to get another guy who can get after the QB.

Offensive Tackle (RT) - Who knows if Wagner will be able to lock down the RT job. We have Monroe signed at LT long-term, but there is absolutely nobody that I would feel remotely comfortable sliding to the left side were he to go down.

Wide Receiver - I think we all thought of this as a need heading into this past offseason. The signing of Smith, the emergence of Marlon Brown, and the re-signing of Jacoby Jones pushed the need down the list for the 2014 season. Torrey is a FA after this season and Smith Sr. is potentially at the tail end of his career. There's a lot of moving parts on this one, but I think the team could consider adding a future starting option in the next draft.

Defensive Tackle/3-4 DE - This hinges pretty much on the future of Haloti Ngata. If the Ravens can work something out to keep him as a Raven long-term, then this probably drops further down the list. The ravens have a lot of young bodies in the D-line rotation with Jernigan, Williams, Tyson, KLM (hurt and yet to see anything from him), Urban (similar to KLM), but they could use another stud if they need to cut ties with Ngata.

Overall, I think it's pretty encouraging that most of these needs are areas to plan for the future, rather than current gaping holes on the roster.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we're in a pretty good situation for next year. We aren't really going to need any starters next year (unless something weird happens), so I would assume we go BPA in the first or trade back.

At this point, I would look for a CB or offensive lineman. Past that, it's all about adding quality depth, such as athletic pass rushers (emphasis on athletic, I'm not talking about Courtney Upshaw or Jarret Johnson here), WR's and of course defensive line depth.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be pretty surprised to see an offensive lineman taken early unless Wagner is terrible this season. Monroe, Osemele, Zuttah, and Yanda aren't going anywhere anytime soon and there's decent depth behind them (as far as depth guys go at least). There needs to be a backup at left tackle behind Monroe but depth offensive lineman don't get taken high. Wide receiver, cornerback, and an athletic pass-rusher are at the top of my list right now.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coordinator0 wrote:
I'd be pretty surprised to see an offensive lineman taken early unless Wagner is terrible this season. Monroe, Osemele, Zuttah, and Yanda aren't going anywhere anytime soon and there's decent depth behind them (as far as depth guys go at least). There needs to be a backup at left tackle behind Monroe but depth offensive lineman don't get taken high. Wide receiver, cornerback, and an athletic pass-rusher are at the top of my list right now.


Let me just be the first to start the Stefon Diggs to the Ravens bandwagon.

Please feel free to hop on before it's too late. Cool
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I still think OLB and CB are the highest priorities for 2015.

Jimmy Smith doesn't seem optimistic that he'll sign a new contract with the Ravens, and given how much CBs have been paid this summer, it might be out of the Ravens' hands anyway.

And OLB will still be an area of weakness, if Suggs and Dumervil hit the downside of their careers. I just don't see anything behind those two, in terms of pass rush. Upshaw is a good defender, but not likely to get after the QB consistently, McPhee seems like a career situational guy, John Simon is still little more than a ST guy.

WR could be something to look at, depending on how Steve Smith does this year, and whether Torrey Smith and Marlon Brown step up as they need to. But I expect the draft will be Defense heavy... again.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mancunian Raven wrote:
I still think OLB and CB are the highest priorities for 2015.

Jimmy Smith doesn't seem optimistic that he'll sign a new contract with the Ravens, and given how much CBs have been paid this summer, it might be out of the Ravens' hands anyway.

And OLB will still be an area of weakness, if Suggs and Dumervil hit the downside of their careers. I just don't see anything behind those two, in terms of pass rush. Upshaw is a good defender, but not likely to get after the QB consistently, McPhee seems like a career situational guy, John Simon is still little more than a ST guy.

WR could be something to look at, depending on how Steve Smith does this year, and whether Torrey Smith and Marlon Brown step up as they need to. But I expect the draft will be Defense heavy... again.


Things will obviously change, but it's nice to look at those "needs" right now and say that we're probably penciling them in as the 2015 #3 CB (even #4 to start if Asa looks good, rather than handing the job to a rookie) and 3rd down pass rush specialist/depth at OLB.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sp6488 wrote:
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I still think OLB and CB are the highest priorities for 2015.

Jimmy Smith doesn't seem optimistic that he'll sign a new contract with the Ravens, and given how much CBs have been paid this summer, it might be out of the Ravens' hands anyway.

And OLB will still be an area of weakness, if Suggs and Dumervil hit the downside of their careers. I just don't see anything behind those two, in terms of pass rush. Upshaw is a good defender, but not likely to get after the QB consistently, McPhee seems like a career situational guy, John Simon is still little more than a ST guy.

WR could be something to look at, depending on how Steve Smith does this year, and whether Torrey Smith and Marlon Brown step up as they need to. But I expect the draft will be Defense heavy... again.


Things will obviously change, but it's nice to look at those "needs" right now and say that we're probably penciling them in as the 2015 #3 CB (even #4 to start if Asa looks good, rather than handing the job to a rookie) and 3rd down pass rush specialist/depth at OLB.


Oh yeah, it's a great situation to be in. That there aren't glaring holes in the starting roster, and that the needs are for long term replacements for guys who can still play at a high level.

Depending on free agency, injuries etc, the Ravens are in a better roster situation than they have been in quite some time. The O-line is young, the QB is set, the receiving corps has a good blend of youth and experience, the front seven (when healthy) is monstrous, there are two young Safeties who will only get better, a couple of talented young RBs.

The big questions revolve around contracts, and while there are a lot of guys who will hit FA in 2015, they're mostly just depth players, apart from Torrey and Jimmy (though I think he might only hit FA in 2016).
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still think OLB and CB are the highest priorities for 2015.

Jimmy Smith doesn't seem optimistic that he'll sign a new contract with the Ravens, and given how much CBs have been paid this summer, it might be out of the Ravens' hands anyway.

And OLB will still be an area of weakness, if Suggs and Dumervil hit the downside of their careers. I just don't see anything behind those two, in terms of pass rush. Upshaw is a good defender, but not likely to get after the QB consistently, McPhee seems like a career situational guy, John Simon is still little more than a ST guy.

WR could be something to look at, depending on how Steve Smith does this year, and whether Torrey Smith and Marlon Brown step up as they need to. But I expect the draft will be Defense heavy... again.


Things will obviously change, but it's nice to look at those "needs" right now and say that we're probably penciling them in as the 2015 #3 CB (even #4 to start if Asa looks good, rather than handing the job to a rookie) and 3rd down pass rush specialist/depth at OLB.


Oh yeah, it's a great situation to be in. That there aren't glaring holes in the starting roster, and that the needs are for long term replacements for guys who can still play at a high level.

Depending on free agency, injuries etc, the Ravens are in a better roster situation than they have been in quite some time. The O-line is young, the QB is set, the receiving corps has a good blend of youth and experience, the front seven (when healthy) is monstrous, there are two young Safeties who will only get better, a couple of talented young RBs.

The big questions revolve around contracts, and while there are a lot of guys who will hit FA in 2015, they're mostly just depth players, apart from Torrey and Jimmy (though I think he might only hit FA in 2016).


Yea we picked up Jimmy's option so he wouldn't hit FA until 2016.
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Mancunian Raven wrote:
I still think OLB and CB are the highest priorities for 2015.

Jimmy Smith doesn't seem optimistic that he'll sign a new contract with the Ravens, and given how much CBs have been paid this summer, it might be out of the Ravens' hands anyway.


Letting Jimmy play out his rookie contract before giving him a big new deal would be par for the course with Newsome. Especially since he has two more years left. This might be a different situation next season since his salary is going to be fairly high so the team might give him a new deal then but I don't think there's anything to indicate whether Smith will or won't be around in the future.
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Depending what happens with Case Keenum, QB could add somewhere low on this list. Tyrod Taylor is in the final year of his deal and I would imagine we would look for a developmental guy.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sp6488 wrote:
Depending what happens with Case Keenum, QB could add somewhere low on this list. Tyrod Taylor is in the final year of his deal and I would imagine we would look for a developmental guy.


I definitely think we could see us take a flier on a middle round guy potentially to compete with Wenning.
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sp6488 wrote:
Depending what happens with Case Keenum, QB could add somewhere low on this list. Tyrod Taylor is in the final year of his deal and I would imagine we would look for a developmental guy.


I definitely think we could see us take a flier on a middle round guy potentially to compete with Wenning.


Do you think they will bring in Keenum? Obviously they don't "plan" on Flacco going down. Perhaos the marginal upgrade from Taylor to Keenum isn't worth (A) the chemistry hit as I believe Tyrod is well-liked and (B) bringing in a Kubiak "guy" could be a slight element of friction in Flacco and Kubiak becoming tight. Don't get me wrong, I think Flacco is more than mentally tough enough, and if bringing in a backup upsets a QB to the point where it is detrimental to his performance, he's probably not cut out to be a franchise guy. I just wonder if the delta from Tyrod to Keenum is enough to even introduce an iota of question there.
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