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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blueswedeshoes wrote:
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The 45 man game day roster is too limited. You already are wasting 3 spots on specialists (K, P, LS), plus a few for backups you hope you never have to play (QB, OL) Your KR/PRs HAVE to be able to be contributors at their positions. Jeremy Ross wasn't a contributor AT ALL at WR, and he showed to be a liability as a returner.

Unless you have a rare talent like Devin Hester, it's just not worth wasting the roster spot on a returner who isn't capable of being a key contributor at a position.


This is one of my biggest beefs. IMO why have a 53 man roster if you can't suit ALL of them on game day?? Evil or Very Mad


I agree Pugger...what sort of equity or balance or solution to an unknown problem is the league trying to achieve with this rule?



Teams with 6 injuries versus a team with zero... It makes sure they're dressing equal numbers
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NormSizedMidget wrote:
blueswedeshoes wrote:
Pugger wrote:
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The 45 man game day roster is too limited. You already are wasting 3 spots on specialists (K, P, LS), plus a few for backups you hope you never have to play (QB, OL) Your KR/PRs HAVE to be able to be contributors at their positions. Jeremy Ross wasn't a contributor AT ALL at WR, and he showed to be a liability as a returner.

Unless you have a rare talent like Devin Hester, it's just not worth wasting the roster spot on a returner who isn't capable of being a key contributor at a position.


This is one of my biggest beefs. IMO why have a 53 man roster if you can't suit ALL of them on game day?? Evil or Very Mad


I agree Pugger...what sort of equity or balance or solution to an unknown problem is the league trying to achieve with this rule?



Teams with 6 injuries versus a team with zero... It makes sure they're dressing equal numbers


It makes sense.

Without the 8 inactives, there would be pressure on teams to cut/IR players with minor injuries. Also allows you to stash developmental players.
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Is spinal stenosis something you can easily diagnose before the draft? I feel like if it was more teams would be throwing red.
I'm not sure on that, but it should be a mandatory test. They check out everything else at the combine and during team physicals .. you'd think they would want to know which players are prone to potential catastrophic neck injury before throwing any money at them. Or to say it more nicely .. find the issue before putting the player in harms way.
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Is spinal stenosis something you can easily diagnose before the draft? I feel like if it was more teams would be throwing red.


Yes

Everyone knew Jarvis Jones had it pre draft. You can tell on a regular xray of the spinal column. I'm pretty sure that it's tested for.

The issue is that stenosis often occurs due to a spinal cord injury.
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Not to take away from the sorrow that should be given to Jonathon Franklin at this time, but there might almost be a positive sign for Jermichael Finley in the fact that his career has yet to be deemed over with the Packers.
We know absolutely nothing except that Franklins career is over. Other then that, we have no details at all. Situations have nothing I do with each other and I wouldn't take anything away from Franklins situation and try and apply any positive or negative spin towards Fin.


I've got to imagine Franklin has stenosis of the spine. Same type of thing that Murphy had. No surgery over the off-season and they come out right away before TC and call him done, seems like thats the plausible outcome here. If it was a serious neck injury he would've remained down on the field, not ran off and probably required a fusion as well. I think he suffered a concussion on the opening kickoff of the home Vikings game and they found something they didn't like in the process.


Another kick-off injury leading to bad things. Same thing happened with Murphy.The Packers, who in TT's time have steadfastly refused to get a kick returner (instead, putting their talented WR's, CB's and RB's through the KO return meat grinder). Jeremy Ross was fine returning kicks, but the Packers have trotted out Nelson (who got an injured knee returning kicks) Justin Blackmon, Harris, Franklin, Hyde, Cobb's returned kicks and a dozen others.
Clearly, Franklin was not a talented returner last year. But, it didn't matter. As with Murphy, we've just sacrificed another promising young 'un doing something they should not have been doing.

As for Finley: Does he have to come up in every thread? You'd think Finley was as important to GB's success as Aaron Rodgers. Get over it, already, people. He's not coming back. At least, not in 2014.


Just a note Murphy's was not a result of him actually doing the returning. If I remember correctly it was Davenport returning and fumbling with Murphy being injured trying to recover it.

As for never getting a returner I cannot really argue with TT. Most of the talented players TT/the staff have put back there were young players. Murphy's case he was a rookie and low on the depth chart, those guys are suppose to fill in on special teams. Most of the other guys were not our number one or two at their position when they were back there. The thing is kick returning is a good way to get those talented young guys the ball more. Look at Cobb's rookie year we had Jennings, Nelson, Jones, and Driver at wide receiver, plus Finley at tightend. There are only so many passes to go around, putting Cobb as the returner gets him the ball more and allows the talented guys to make plays.
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So is Quarless injured with something we don't know of?

He's probably not going to have the opportunity by missing so many reps.
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rbens06 wrote:
Skypilot wrote:
Packerraymond wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
MaryTsraining3s wrote:
Not to take away from the sorrow that should be given to Jonathon Franklin at this time, but there might almost be a positive sign for Jermichael Finley in the fact that his career has yet to be deemed over with the Packers.
We know absolutely nothing except that Franklins career is over. Other then that, we have no details at all. Situations have nothing I do with each other and I wouldn't take anything away from Franklins situation and try and apply any positive or negative spin towards Fin.


I've got to imagine Franklin has stenosis of the spine. Same type of thing that Murphy had. No surgery over the off-season and they come out right away before TC and call him done, seems like thats the plausible outcome here. If it was a serious neck injury he would've remained down on the field, not ran off and probably required a fusion as well. I think he suffered a concussion on the opening kickoff of the home Vikings game and they found something they didn't like in the process.


Another kick-off injury leading to bad things. Same thing happened with Murphy.The Packers, who in TT's time have steadfastly refused to get a kick returner (instead, putting their talented WR's, CB's and RB's through the KO return meat grinder). Jeremy Ross was fine returning kicks, but the Packers have trotted out Nelson (who got an injured knee returning kicks) Justin Blackmon, Harris, Franklin, Hyde, Cobb's returned kicks and a dozen others.
Clearly, Franklin was not a talented returner last year. But, it didn't matter. As with Murphy, we've just sacrificed another promising young 'un doing something they should not have been doing.

As for Finley: Does he have to come up in every thread? You'd think Finley was as important to GB's success as Aaron Rodgers. Get over it, already, people. He's not coming back. At least, not in 2014.


Just a note Murphy's was not a result of him actually doing the returning. If I remember correctly it was Davenport returning and fumbling with Murphy being injured trying to recover it.

As for never getting a returner I cannot really argue with TT. Most of the talented players TT/the staff have put back there were young players. Murphy's case he was a rookie and low on the depth chart, those guys are suppose to fill in on special teams. Most of the other guys were not our number one or two at their position when they were back there. The thing is kick returning is a good way to get those talented young guys the ball more. Look at Cobb's rookie year we had Jennings, Nelson, Jones, and Driver at wide receiver, plus Finley at tightend. There are only so many passes to go around, putting Cobb as the returner gets him the ball more and allows the talented guys to make plays.


Good catch on that kick-off return. I'll have to disagree on Murphy being that low on the depth chart. He would likely have been the #3 receiver (Driver and Walker were the starters until Javon was injured in game 1)---eventually ahead of Ferguson and of course roster filler like Chatman and Thurman. I hated the way he went out with the helmet to helmet hit from Davis of Carolina.
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stockholder wrote:
blankman0021 wrote:
squire12 wrote:
Skypilot wrote:
Packerraymond wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
MaryTsraining3s wrote:
Not to take away from the sorrow that should be given to Jonathon Franklin at this time, but there might almost be a positive sign for Jermichael Finley in the fact that his career has yet to be deemed over with the Packers.
We know absolutely nothing except that Franklins career is over. Other then that, we have no details at all. Situations have nothing I do with each other and I wouldn't take anything away from Franklins situation and try and apply any positive or negative spin towards Fin.


I've got to imagine Franklin has stenosis of the spine. Same type of thing that Murphy had. No surgery over the off-season and they come out right away before TC and call him done, seems like thats the plausible outcome here. If it was a serious neck injury he would've remained down on the field, not ran off and probably required a fusion as well. I think he suffered a concussion on the opening kickoff of the home Vikings game and they found something they didn't like in the process.


Another kick-off injury leading to bad things. Same thing happened with Murphy. The Packers, who in TT's time have steadfastly refused to get a kick returner (instead, putting their talented WR's, CB's and RB's through the KO return meat grinder). Jeremy Ross was fine returning kicks, but the Packers have trotted out Nelson (who got an injured knee returning kicks) Justin Blackmon, Harris, Franklin, Hyde, Cobb's returned kicks and a dozen others.
Clearly, Franklin was not a talented returner last year. But, it didn't matter. As with Murphy, we've just sacrificed another promising young 'un doing something they should not have been doing.

As for Finley: Does he have to come up in every thread? You'd think Finley was as important to GB's success as Aaron Rodgers. Get over it, already, people. He's not coming back. At least, not in 2014.


To the bolded part, did you happen to check the thread title? Makes sense to discuss Finley in the thread that is coinciding with his name. Seems appropriate enough.


Laughing Laughing

On the Franklin front- I've got to agree with Packerraymond. Most likely he suffered the concussion and when they did the concussion tests they found something they didn't like. Probably something he's played with his whole career, but that puts him at a significantly high risk for neck injuries. Spinal Stenosis would be a good guess.
Seems they should have diagnosed the spinal stenosis before this. The numbness is the key. I say its a c-3 like Nick collins, and not just a bruise like Finley. It does explain the football being dropped! His body shook like Collins. He should of had neck warnings while on the IR. C-3 you can't take a chance. Move on.


Are you an expert on stenosis and how/why it occurs? Just asking.

On Finley---"just a bruise?" He had essentially the same surgery as Collins. Lost all feeling in his body. Hospitalized. Suffered a serious concussion that had him staggering off the field (even with jerMichael's propensity fro drama and exaggeration) like drunk kangaroo just a few weeks earlier. So, yea. Let's listen to the non-Packers surgeon who says he's good to go and trot JerMichael back out there week one because Quarless is hurt/sucks and we want our victory fix, now. Wink
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My guess is that the Packers take a final look-see at Finley just prior to training camp, and then ink him to a one year deal with lots of incentives.

I just think if the Packers were totally not interested they would have told his side that. With the comments from McCarthy and tweets from Finley it doesn't sound like the Packers have decided to move on ... yet. I hope he can make it back.
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Skypilot wrote:
rbens06 wrote:
Skypilot wrote:
Packerraymond wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
MaryTsraining3s wrote:
Not to take away from the sorrow that should be given to Jonathon Franklin at this time, but there might almost be a positive sign for Jermichael Finley in the fact that his career has yet to be deemed over with the Packers.
We know absolutely nothing except that Franklins career is over. Other then that, we have no details at all. Situations have nothing I do with each other and I wouldn't take anything away from Franklins situation and try and apply any positive or negative spin towards Fin.


I've got to imagine Franklin has stenosis of the spine. Same type of thing that Murphy had. No surgery over the off-season and they come out right away before TC and call him done, seems like thats the plausible outcome here. If it was a serious neck injury he would've remained down on the field, not ran off and probably required a fusion as well. I think he suffered a concussion on the opening kickoff of the home Vikings game and they found something they didn't like in the process.


Another kick-off injury leading to bad things. Same thing happened with Murphy.The Packers, who in TT's time have steadfastly refused to get a kick returner (instead, putting their talented WR's, CB's and RB's through the KO return meat grinder). Jeremy Ross was fine returning kicks, but the Packers have trotted out Nelson (who got an injured knee returning kicks) Justin Blackmon, Harris, Franklin, Hyde, Cobb's returned kicks and a dozen others.
Clearly, Franklin was not a talented returner last year. But, it didn't matter. As with Murphy, we've just sacrificed another promising young 'un doing something they should not have been doing.

As for Finley: Does he have to come up in every thread? You'd think Finley was as important to GB's success as Aaron Rodgers. Get over it, already, people. He's not coming back. At least, not in 2014.


Just a note Murphy's was not a result of him actually doing the returning. If I remember correctly it was Davenport returning and fumbling with Murphy being injured trying to recover it.

As for never getting a returner I cannot really argue with TT. Most of the talented players TT/the staff have put back there were young players. Murphy's case he was a rookie and low on the depth chart, those guys are suppose to fill in on special teams. Most of the other guys were not our number one or two at their position when they were back there. The thing is kick returning is a good way to get those talented young guys the ball more. Look at Cobb's rookie year we had Jennings, Nelson, Jones, and Driver at wide receiver, plus Finley at tightend. There are only so many passes to go around, putting Cobb as the returner gets him the ball more and allows the talented guys to make plays.


Good catch on that kick-off return. I'll have to disagree on Murphy being that low on the depth chart. He would likely have been the #3 receiver (Driver and Walker were the starters until Javon was injured in game 1)---eventually ahead of Ferguson and of course roster filler like Chatman and Thurman. I hated the way he went out with the helmet to helmet hit from Davis of Carolina.


I agree that Murphy was higher up on the depth chart than some of the other players we have used in the past, but he was still 4th behind Walker, Driver, and Ferguson heading into the season. With Walker down that certainly moves him up the depth chart and he may have passed Ferguson, but he was still probably considered third (behind Driver and Ferguson) on the depth chart when he was injured. I probably should have stated it before, but most of the young guys were lower on the depth chart when the season opened and they earned the return spot.
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Just got off the phone with #Packers free-agent TE @JermichaelF88. Happened to catch him between workouts. Sounds like hes doing great.

From @JermichaelF88: "This is the best I've felt in this entire crazy process." Says he still very much wants to return to #Packers.


Tell everybody I'm working as hard as I can to get back to Packer Nation.



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That's all fine and dandy if he's able to start playing again, but here's the thing: do we have enough cap room to lock up all 3 of Cobb, Nelson and Finley for another year? Probably not.

Unless he resigns on the cheap, I'd say just stick with Lyerla, who's an athletic freak and give our O scary potential if it's not there already.
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rbens06 wrote:
Skypilot wrote:
rbens06 wrote:
Skypilot wrote:
Packerraymond wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
MaryTsraining3s wrote:
Not to take away from the sorrow that should be given to Jonathon Franklin at this time, but there might almost be a positive sign for Jermichael Finley in the fact that his career has yet to be deemed over with the Packers.
We know absolutely nothing except that Franklins career is over. Other then that, we have no details at all. Situations have nothing I do with each other and I wouldn't take anything away from Franklins situation and try and apply any positive or negative spin towards Fin.


I've got to imagine Franklin has stenosis of the spine. Same type of thing that Murphy had. No surgery over the off-season and they come out right away before TC and call him done, seems like thats the plausible outcome here. If it was a serious neck injury he would've remained down on the field, not ran off and probably required a fusion as well. I think he suffered a concussion on the opening kickoff of the home Vikings game and they found something they didn't like in the process.


Another kick-off injury leading to bad things. Same thing happened with Murphy.The Packers, who in TT's time have steadfastly refused to get a kick returner (instead, putting their talented WR's, CB's and RB's through the KO return meat grinder). Jeremy Ross was fine returning kicks, but the Packers have trotted out Nelson (who got an injured knee returning kicks) Justin Blackmon, Harris, Franklin, Hyde, Cobb's returned kicks and a dozen others.
Clearly, Franklin was not a talented returner last year. But, it didn't matter. As with Murphy, we've just sacrificed another promising young 'un doing something they should not have been doing.

As for Finley: Does he have to come up in every thread? You'd think Finley was as important to GB's success as Aaron Rodgers. Get over it, already, people. He's not coming back. At least, not in 2014.


Just a note Murphy's was not a result of him actually doing the returning. If I remember correctly it was Davenport returning and fumbling with Murphy being injured trying to recover it.

As for never getting a returner I cannot really argue with TT. Most of the talented players TT/the staff have put back there were young players. Murphy's case he was a rookie and low on the depth chart, those guys are suppose to fill in on special teams. Most of the other guys were not our number one or two at their position when they were back there. The thing is kick returning is a good way to get those talented young guys the ball more. Look at Cobb's rookie year we had Jennings, Nelson, Jones, and Driver at wide receiver, plus Finley at tightend. There are only so many passes to go around, putting Cobb as the returner gets him the ball more and allows the talented guys to make plays.


Good catch on that kick-off return. I'll have to disagree on Murphy being that low on the depth chart. He would likely have been the #3 receiver (Driver and Walker were the starters until Javon was injured in game 1)---eventually ahead of Ferguson and of course roster filler like Chatman and Thurman. I hated the way he went out with the helmet to helmet hit from Davis of Carolina.


I agree that Murphy was higher up on the depth chart than some of the other players we have used in the past, but he was still 4th behind Walker, Driver, and Ferguson heading into the season. With Walker down that certainly moves him up the depth chart and he may have passed Ferguson, but he was still probably considered third (behind Driver and Ferguson) on the depth chart when he was injured. I probably should have stated it before, but most of the young guys were lower on the depth chart when the season opened and they earned the return spot.


Agree. In 2005 we didn't know that Ferguson would flame out. It was a nightmare scenario what with Murphy and Walker out for the season and reduced to playing Chatman and Thurman.
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I never knew Finley had been offered a contract by anyone.

http://www.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/finley-steelers-have-made-offer
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NormSizedMidget wrote:
I never knew Finley had been offered a contract by anyone.

http://www.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/finley-steelers-have-made-offer
Means he's healthy enough to pass a physical, right?
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