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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 8:00 am    Post subject: Early roster predictions Reply with quote

So we aren't even into TC yet, but following FA, the draft and UDFA signings, I thought it was a good time to start initial 53-man roster predictions. I figured that some projection was acceptable/required (for guys still available to plug holes and/or June 1 cuts). Defense was a bit harder to designate starters, so I just went with starters in a 3-4, but will add multiple "starting" looks later.

Bold = Projected Starter
Italics = Projected Addition Not Currently on Team

53 Man Roster

QB: Joe Flacco, Tyrod Taylor
RB: Ray Rice, Bernard Pierce, Lorenzo Taliaferro (Justin Forsett to replace RR during possible suspension)
FB: Kyle Juszczyk
TE: Dennis Pitta, Owen Daniels, Crockett Gilmore
WR: Torrey Smith, Jacoby Jones, Aaron Mellette
WR: Steve Smith, Marlon Brown, Michael Campanero
LT: Eugene Monroe, Parker Graham
LG: Kelechi Osemele, Gino Gradkowski
OC: Jeremy Zuttah, John Urschel
RG: Marshall Yanda
RT: Eric Winston, Ricky Wagner

DT/DE/NT: Haloti Ngata, Brandon Williams, Chris Canty, Timmy Jernigan, Brent Urban, Kapron Lewis-Moore, Deangelo Tyson
OLB/DE: Terrell Suggs, Elvis Dumervil, Courtney Upshaw, Pernell McPhee, John Simon
ILB/OLB: Daryl Smith, CJ Mosley, Arthur Brown, Josh Bynes
CB: Lardarius Webb, Jimmy Smith, Chykie Brown, Asa Jackson, Sammy Seamster, Cut from another team (need to look at what may be available)
FS: Terrence Brooks, Omar Brown
SS: Matt Elam, Darian Stewart

LS: Morgan Cox
P: Sam Koch
K: Justin Tucker

Practice Squad

Keith Wenning, QB
Gerrard Sheppard, WR
Brett Van Sloten, OT
Matt Furstenburg, TE
Ryan Jensen, OC/OG
Zach Orr, LB
Terrance Bullitt, OLB
Jake Sinkovec, FB

IR

James Hurst, OT
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only change I'd make, I think, would be that I reckon Ryan Jensen has a good chance of making the 53 man roster. They kept him on it all last year, despite his injuries, so they must like him.

And if Shipley and Reid go, he's handy backup to have at G/C.

I'm still going to hold out hope for Matt Furstenburg, because I think he could easily have made the squad last year, and probably would have if not for Pitta's injury.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you adding Forsett into your count, because I have 52 if you aren't.

And I think that there's a roster exemption for Rice while suspended and he won't count against the 53 man roster until reinstated.

I think Forsett sticks around after the suspension too, because street free agents midway through the season are virtually useless, as we saw last year when we signed Bernard Scott.
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Are you adding Forsett into your count, because I have 52 if you aren't.

And I think that there's a roster exemption for Rice while suspended and he won't count against the 53 man roster until reinstated.

I think Forsett sticks around after the suspension too, because street free agents midway through the season are virtually useless, as we saw last year when we signed Bernard Scott.


Pretty sure it's 53, not counting Forsett (he would push it to 54). 24 offense, 26 defense, 3 specialists.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 1:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Early roster predictions Reply with quote

OFFENSE (25)
QB (3): Joe Flacco, Tyrod Taylor, Keith Wenning, QB
RB (3): Bernard Pierce, Lorenzo Taliaferro, Justin Forsett
FB (1): Kyle Juszczyk
TE (3): Dennis Pitta, Owen Daniels, Crockett Gilmore
WR1 (3): Torrey Smith, Jacoby Jones, Aaron Mellette
WR2 (3): Steve Smith, Marlon Brown, Michael Campanero
LT (2): Eugene Monroe, James Hurst
LG (1): John Urschel
OC (2): Jeremy Zuttah, Gino Gradkowski
RG (2): Marshall Yanda, Ryan Jensen
RT (2): Kelechi Osemele, Ricky Wagner

DEFENSE- 43 under (25)
RDE (2): Terrell Suggs, John Simon
UT (3): Haloti Ngata, Pernell McPhee, Deangelo Tyson
NG (3): Brandon Williams, Timmy Jernigan, Kapron Lewis-Moore,
LDE (2): Elvis Dumervil, Courtney Upshaw

ROLB (1): Arthur Brown
MLB (2): Daryl Smith, DJ Bryant
LOLB (2): CJ Mosley, Josh Bynes
RCB (3): Lardarius Webb, Asa Jackson, Veteran X
FS (3): Terrence Brooks, Darian Stewart, Anthony Levine
SS (2): Matt Elam, Jeromy Miles
LCB (2): Jimmy Smith, Chykie Brown

LS: Morgan Cox
P: Sam Koch
K: Justin Tucker

Practice Squad

Sammy Seamster, CB
Gerrard Sheppard, WR
Parker Graham, OT
Matt Furstenburg, TE
Xavius Boyd, OLB
Jamie Meder, DT
Terrance Bullitt, OLB
Jake Sinkovec, FB

Suspended
Ray Rice, RB

IR
Brent Urban, DT
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of those last 3 D-lineman somehow ended up on IR. I think Ryan Jensen makes the active roster over Graham. KO and Yanda can effectively be counted on as OT depth.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McClellan got a 400k signing bonus. I think he's making the team.

I could see one of the corner spots getting filled in a trade for McPhee.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DontTazeMeBro wrote:
McClellan got a 400k signing bonus. I think he's making the team.

I could see one of the corner spots getting filled in a trade for McPhee.


as a fan of McPhee, I hope he gets traded. Get him to a team that can actually use his talents.
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SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
DontTazeMeBro wrote:
McClellan got a 400k signing bonus. I think he's making the team.

I could see one of the corner spots getting filled in a trade for McPhee.


as a fan of McPhee, I hope he gets traded. Get him to a team that can actually use his talents.

I don't think it would be wise to trade McPhee unless he proves that he gets outplayed by the rest of our DL depth.

We've been mis-utilizing him for quite some time. Moving him to a 43 UT position would probably best fit his skillset. Particularly on passing downs where he can look to get after the QB. The team has been really monitoring Ngata's snap count anyway, so McPhee could see more of a penetrating role inside in an under scheme. I think it'd be foolish to trade him just as he could become an asset for the first time since his rookie season (and keep us from earning that 4th round comp pick from some team overspending on him).

In terms of McClellan, I wanted to keep a MLB option. I remembered hearing about DJ Bryant really tearing it up in training camp last year and thought given another offseason of similar play, he could potentially overtake the incumbent McClellan.

That said, I think it's possible that if some team is in need of a backup QB, we might be willing to exchange Tyrod Taylor for CB depth... or most obvious, we might look towards trading a DT like DeAngelo Tyson. Talented player that could show up well in preseason and spark some interest for a depth corner.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if a team with excess DBs would be willing to send a former late rounder who could be the odd man out for a body at OL aka former third rounder Jah Reid.
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diamondbull424 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
DontTazeMeBro wrote:
McClellan got a 400k signing bonus. I think he's making the team.

I could see one of the corner spots getting filled in a trade for McPhee.


as a fan of McPhee, I hope he gets traded. Get him to a team that can actually use his talents.

I don't think it would be wise to trade McPhee unless he proves that he gets outplayed by the rest of our DL depth.

We've been mis-utilizing him for quite some time. Moving him to a 43 UT position would probably best fit his skillset. Particularly on passing downs where he can look to get after the QB. The team has been really monitoring Ngata's snap count anyway, so McPhee could see more of a penetrating role inside in an under scheme. I think it'd be foolish to trade him just as he could become an asset for the first time since his rookie season (and keep us from earning that 4th round comp pick from some team overspending on him).

In terms of McClellan, I wanted to keep a MLB option. I remembered hearing about DJ Bryant really tearing it up in training camp last year and thought given another offseason of similar play, he could potentially overtake the incumbent McClellan.

That said, I think it's possible that if some team is in need of a backup QB, we might be willing to exchange Tyrod Taylor for CB depth... or most obvious, we might look towards trading a DT like DeAngelo Tyson. Talented player that could show up well in preseason and spark some interest for a depth corner.


What do you think about a McPhee comparison with Michael Bennett? It didn't occur to me until now, but they are very similar in physique and both "tweeners" on the defensive line. I do agree that a move to the 4-3 UT could be beneficial to him, but I don't think it's ever going to happen. If it were to happen, it would've came after his 5 sack season.

He's just wasting his time on Baltimore's roster right now.
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diamondbull424 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
DontTazeMeBro wrote:
McClellan got a 400k signing bonus. I think he's making the team.

I could see one of the corner spots getting filled in a trade for McPhee.


as a fan of McPhee, I hope he gets traded. Get him to a team that can actually use his talents.

I don't think it would be wise to trade McPhee unless he proves that he gets outplayed by the rest of our DL depth.

We've been mis-utilizing him for quite some time. Moving him to a 43 UT position would probably best fit his skillset. Particularly on passing downs where he can look to get after the QB. The team has been really monitoring Ngata's snap count anyway, so McPhee could see more of a penetrating role inside in an under scheme. I think it'd be foolish to trade him just as he could become an asset for the first time since his rookie season (and keep us from earning that 4th round comp pick from some team overspending on him).

In terms of McClellan, I wanted to keep a MLB option. I remembered hearing about DJ Bryant really tearing it up in training camp last year and thought given another offseason of similar play, he could potentially overtake the incumbent McClellan.

That said, I think it's possible that if some team is in need of a backup QB, we might be willing to exchange Tyrod Taylor for CB depth... or most obvious, we might look towards trading a DT like DeAngelo Tyson. Talented player that could show up well in preseason and spark some interest for a depth corner.


What do you think about a McPhee comparison with Michael Bennett? It didn't occur to me until now, but they are very similar in physique and both "tweeners" on the defensive line. I do agree that a move to the 4-3 UT could be beneficial to him, but I don't think it's ever going to happen. If it were to happen, it would've came after his 5 sack season.

He's just wasting his time on Baltimore's roster right now.


Of course you find the one player you like and deem him as "wasting his time" here...
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sp6488 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
diamondbull424 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
DontTazeMeBro wrote:
McClellan got a 400k signing bonus. I think he's making the team.

I could see one of the corner spots getting filled in a trade for McPhee.


as a fan of McPhee, I hope he gets traded. Get him to a team that can actually use his talents.

I don't think it would be wise to trade McPhee unless he proves that he gets outplayed by the rest of our DL depth.

We've been mis-utilizing him for quite some time. Moving him to a 43 UT position would probably best fit his skillset. Particularly on passing downs where he can look to get after the QB. The team has been really monitoring Ngata's snap count anyway, so McPhee could see more of a penetrating role inside in an under scheme. I think it'd be foolish to trade him just as he could become an asset for the first time since his rookie season (and keep us from earning that 4th round comp pick from some team overspending on him).

In terms of McClellan, I wanted to keep a MLB option. I remembered hearing about DJ Bryant really tearing it up in training camp last year and thought given another offseason of similar play, he could potentially overtake the incumbent McClellan.

That said, I think it's possible that if some team is in need of a backup QB, we might be willing to exchange Tyrod Taylor for CB depth... or most obvious, we might look towards trading a DT like DeAngelo Tyson. Talented player that could show up well in preseason and spark some interest for a depth corner.


What do you think about a McPhee comparison with Michael Bennett? It didn't occur to me until now, but they are very similar in physique and both "tweeners" on the defensive line. I do agree that a move to the 4-3 UT could be beneficial to him, but I don't think it's ever going to happen. If it were to happen, it would've came after his 5 sack season.

He's just wasting his time on Baltimore's roster right now.


Of course you find the one player you like and deem him as "wasting his time" here...


You think he's not? And there's plenty of players I like on this team Laughing
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SnA ExclusiVe wrote:

What do you think about a McPhee comparison with Michael Bennett? It didn't occur to me until now, but they are very similar in physique and both "tweeners" on the defensive line. I do agree that a move to the 4-3 UT could be beneficial to him, but I don't think it's ever going to happen. If it were to happen, it would've came after his 5 sack season.

He's just wasting his time on Baltimore's roster right now.

I can't say Bennett is the player I'm most focusing on when watching the Seahawks... and I don't watch them that often, but just from what I've seen of McPhee and Bennett, I don't like that comparison.

Bennett has good explosiveness off the LOS and is more of your classic 43 LDE able to play with power and burst. With McPhee, he can fit as a 43 LDE, but even at the lesser weight he's only possessed of average to above average explosiveness off the LOS. I think both players have great hustle and pursuit skills, but McPhee just doesn't have the same explosive profile of Bennett to be as impactful against the pass. McPhee needs more time to operate.

And just taking a quick look at their respective combines that seems to be supported with evidence based off their athletic profile:

Michael Bennett- 6'3 1/2", 274 lbs
40- 5.00s
20- 2.84s
10- 1.62s

Pernell McPhee- 6'2 5/8" 278 lbs
40- 4.91s
20- 2.80s
10- 1.78s

Bennett has the explosive ability of a big RB or WR (which is still quite exploosive), while McPhee's 10 yard split is that of a great RT. Bennett has the explosive ability to be able to overwhelm an OT in short distances and thus strong handwork and balance can allow him to be an effective penettrater, whereas most of the top OT prospects of the past decade have recorded 10 yd splits higher than McPhee. Combine that with most having longer arms and McPhee's best chance of competing with an OT would be with hustle and leverage as he's unlikely to overwhelm their athleticism.

So based on the athleticism, I'd say McPhee can play a 43 LDE type role, like Bennett, but he's a much better fit as a 43 UT or a 1 gap 5-tech... and really the UT is probably his most ideal fit. As the closer he is to the QB the better. But any position that puts him up against guards 1on1 where his explosiveness should be good enough to expose interior lineman, along with his good agility and power.
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