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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smitty89 wrote:
Offense sells tickets, defense wins championships.


Not true.
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Rodgers won GB a championship, Brady won them super bowls, the Cowboys, all the 49ers teams (idk who it was that made that stupid comment acting like 49ers D won them titles). Yes Super Bowl teams have good defenses. But name the Super Bowl winning teams in history that didn't have a good offense? I can think of may 2 in the last 15-20 years.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rodgers won GB a championship, Brady won them super bowls, the Cowboys, all the 49ers teams (idk who it was that made that stupid comment acting like 49ers D won them titles). Yes Super Bowl teams have good defenses. But name the Super Bowl winning teams in history that didn't have a good offense? I can think of may 2 in the last 15-20 years.




I posted that "stupid post" to show that even the Great Joe Montana could not win with a below average defense, personally I think that 18 PPG is pretty good actually on defense. Are you going to sit there and pretend that the 49ers didn't have hall of famers on there defense? Did Joe Montana lose a finger to go back in and win the game? I'm sorry your Philosophy is wrong and you're mad about it, but facts are facts. Literally you only have to go back to Febuary, the greatest offense of all time was smashed 43-8.




43 to freaking 8!!!! The greatest offense of all time. Now riddle me this, if the greatest offense of all time failed flat on there face to not even a top 5, maybe even top 10 defense, of all time, why are you beefing up offense so much? Defense wins championships, if it didn't Dan Marino would have a Superbowl ring.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every team that has won a Lombardi since the re-alignment has had a top ten defense or had a defense play extremely well in the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TROJANPANTHER wrote:
ericr0319 wrote:
why do people want a DE?


Insurance. Make a strength even stronger. You can never have to many good players.



We have big holes on our team and if we draft a DE in the 1st my flat screen is going in the pond. We have 2 Pro Bowl DE's we don't need another. How often would they see the field? Just on third downs? So our first round pick would see the field 1/4 game maybe. Not worth it. We will not let Hardy walk next year as I suspect he gets locked up long term very soon. Even if he did walk we could draft a DE next year when guessing becomes a reality with a hole at DE.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panthers11 wrote:
Smitty89 wrote:
Offense sells tickets, defense wins championships.


Not true.


Its a moto from Any Given Sunday relax.

And the Seahawks backed that statement up against the high powered Broncos offense. 43-8
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Every team that has won a Lombardi since the re-alignment has had a top ten defense or had a defense play extremely well in the playoffs.



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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zithers wrote:
Every team that has won a Lombardi since the re-alignment has had a top ten defense or had a defense play extremely well in the playoffs.

And offense doesn't matter?
Offensive ranking in PPG
2013-Seahawks-8th
2012-Ravens-10th
2011-Giants-9th
2010-Packers-10th
2009-Saints-1st
2008-Steelers-20th
2007-Giants-14th
2006-Colts-3rd
2005-Steelers-9th
2004-Patriots-4th
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Panthers11 wrote:
Zithers wrote:
Every team that has won a Lombardi since the re-alignment has had a top ten defense or had a defense play extremely well in the playoffs.

And offense doesn't matter?
Offensive ranking in PPG
2013-Seahawks-8th
2012-Ravens-10th
2011-Giants-9th
2010-Packers-10th
2009-Saints-1st
2008-Steelers-20th
2007-Giants-14th
2006-Colts-3rd
2005-Steelers-9th
2004-Patriots-4th


Why didn't you keep going P11? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cpanthers178990 wrote:
Panthers11 wrote:
Zithers wrote:
Every team that has won a Lombardi since the re-alignment has had a top ten defense or had a defense play extremely well in the playoffs.

And offense doesn't matter?
Offensive ranking in PPG
2013-Seahawks-8th
2012-Ravens-10th
2011-Giants-9th
2010-Packers-10th
2009-Saints-1st
2008-Steelers-20th
2007-Giants-14th
2006-Colts-3rd
2005-Steelers-9th
2004-Patriots-4th


Why didn't you keep going P11? Wink


Because I don't think it relates to now. Just did 10 years as a base.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panthers11 wrote:
cpanthers178990 wrote:
Panthers11 wrote:
Zithers wrote:
Every team that has won a Lombardi since the re-alignment has had a top ten defense or had a defense play extremely well in the playoffs.

And offense doesn't matter?
Offensive ranking in PPG
2013-Seahawks-8th
2012-Ravens-10th
2011-Giants-9th
2010-Packers-10th
2009-Saints-1st
2008-Steelers-20th
2007-Giants-14th
2006-Colts-3rd
2005-Steelers-9th
2004-Patriots-4th


Why didn't you keep going P11? Wink


Because I don't think it relates to now. Just did 10 years as a base.
exactly jackasses we dont play football in the 1970s or even 1980s. Dan Marino had plenty of top 10 defenses. OBVIOUSLY you need a defense. But if you have no offense you arent going to win. Browns have a great defense, jacksonville actually had a pretty solid defense, but both offenses blow and cant move the football.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And offense doesn't matter?


it does matter. but defense is more important. when was the last time an average defense won a super bowl? every winner either had a top 10 (or extremely close to it) defense or had their defense step up in the playoffs. if the other team can't score and you impose your will on them, you win games. dave gettleman said this himself last week with the panthers, saints, seahawks, and 49ers being the four best defenses/teams in the NFC.

seattle had the 3rd best starting field position last season and besides lynch, there are no weapons for wilson. tate has never hit 900 yards. baldwin and kearse are 3s. zach miller blocks more than anything. his OL isn't even very good outside of okung and unger. he runs for his life as much as cam does.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zithers wrote:
Panthers11 wrote:

And offense doesn't matter?


it does matter. but defense is more important. when was the last time an average defense won a super bowl? every winner either had a top 10 (or extremely close to it) defense or had their defense step up in the playoffs. if the other team can't score and you impose your will on them, you win games. dave gettleman said this himself last week with the panthers, saints, seahawks, and 49ers being the four best defenses/teams in the NFC.

seattle had the 3rd best starting field position last season and besides lynch, there are no weapons for wilson. tate has never hit 900 yards. baldwin and kearse are 3s. zach miller blocks more than anything. his OL isn't even very good outside of okung and unger. he runs for his life as much as cam does.
this is a terrible conversation. rarely if ever does a team who has a terrible offense and great defense win, and does a team with a terrible defense and great offense win. even win the colts won there D was good. even when the Bucs won their offense was solid. buc you cannot have an offense that doesnt move the ball and win. you can win a shoot out.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ericr0319 wrote:
Zithers wrote:
Panthers11 wrote:

And offense doesn't matter?


it does matter. but defense is more important. when was the last time an average defense won a super bowl? every winner either had a top 10 (or extremely close to it) defense or had their defense step up in the playoffs. if the other team can't score and you impose your will on them, you win games. dave gettleman said this himself last week with the panthers, saints, seahawks, and 49ers being the four best defenses/teams in the NFC.

seattle had the 3rd best starting field position last season and besides lynch, there are no weapons for wilson. tate has never hit 900 yards. baldwin and kearse are 3s. zach miller blocks more than anything. his OL isn't even very good outside of okung and unger. he runs for his life as much as cam does.
this is a terrible conversation. rarely if ever does a team who has a terrible offense and great defense win, and does a team with a terrible defense and great offense win. even win the colts won there D was good. even when the Bucs won their offense was solid. buc you cannot have an offense that doesnt move the ball and win. you can win a shoot out.


Yeah, its almost never just one unit doing well. I think the most common formula is to have one great unit and for the other to be just above average, but playing great down the stretch and in the playoffs. The last two winners were great D/streaky O, but overall I think the defense is the unit you'd want to live with as the weaker one. Of course you don't just give it up if your D is a strong unit, but you need to make sure your offense is in order too.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ericr0319 wrote:
Panthers11 wrote:
cpanthers178990 wrote:
Panthers11 wrote:
Zithers wrote:
Every team that has won a Lombardi since the re-alignment has had a top ten defense or had a defense play extremely well in the playoffs.

And offense doesn't matter?
Offensive ranking in PPG
2013-Seahawks-8th
2012-Ravens-10th
2011-Giants-9th
2010-Packers-10th
2009-Saints-1st
2008-Steelers-20th
2007-Giants-14th
2006-Colts-3rd
2005-Steelers-9th
2004-Patriots-4th


Why didn't you keep going P11? Wink


Because I don't think it relates to now. Just did 10 years as a base.
exactly jackasses we dont play football in the 1970s or even 1980s. Dan Marino had plenty of top 10 defenses. OBVIOUSLY you need a defense. But if you have no offense you arent going to win. Browns have a great defense, jacksonville actually had a pretty solid defense, but both offenses blow and cant move the football.





Whoa whoa, take it easy man, we still all root for the same team here. No one said that offense isn't important. In fact, there is no one in here wishing our offense would get worse, but is it more plausible that adding defense to compensate for the offensive struggles we are going to face this year? If we don't have a good value on a tackle, or any other position on offense, we shouldn't reach just to try to fill a need. It's completely justifiable to try and make your team the best it can possibly be. So if that means adding a DE will benefit the team's overall worth than an OT, I'm all for it. It doesn't mean it's abandoning the offense, it's just looking out for the greater good of this team potentially ten years.
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