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Which wide receiver is ideal in the first two rounds
Jordan Matthews
26%
 26%  [ 6 ]
Devante Adams
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
Martavis Bryant
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Donte Moncrief
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Brandin Cooks
47%
 47%  [ 11 ]
Kelvin Benjamin
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
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jrl23


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 6:55 am    Post subject: Battle with the choice of WR Reply with quote

While I love Brandon Cooks, I am assuming he will be gone by 28 as Kelvin Benjamin may be - I like the yacht ability of KB, but when you factor in his age, questionable speed (looks faster on tape than the 4.61 indicates) and supposed lack of effort, Jordan Matthews and/or decanter Adams look like superior options. Odell beckham is slightly overrated to me as I don't see him as a true burner or as a super elusive player which also applies to Marqise Lee who: a) played at USC where all wide receivers appear overhyped (Woods was a better prospect IMO and lee reminds me of Damian Williams (USC WR to a T) b) lacks elite speed for his c) while somewhat elusive, lacks the speed to take the ball the distance after making a defender miss and lacks the strength to break tackles consistently d) will be 23 (same age as KB) when the season starts e) has not demonstrated the traits of a no. 1 wideout. With Cooks, the speed, the youth (abt 21), the elusiveness, and the intelligence are there and he also seemingly has enough strength to real tackles when he so chooses. With the options that appear most likely to be available, Jordan Matthews ran a 4.4 at 6'3, is excellent at tracking the ball and plucking it away, actually looks like a blazer on film when pulling away from defenders, and has awesome hands and terrific work ethic. Devante Adams looks a little slower than Jordan but also a little stronger and ran a sub 4.5 forty at his pro-day I believe - he has awesome hands good speed, and reminds me a lot of a slower Josh Gordon. Lastly are Donta Moncrief and Martavis Bryant who are both HWS guys who ran blazing 4.4s with the latter having the ability to reach out and grab the ball over the defender - awesome 2nd/3rd round picks. Who has the most potential to be an elite no. 1 receiver?
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A WR will not be chosen in the first round by the Panthers
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylined8300 wrote:
A WR will not be chosen in the first round by the Panthers

I agree, unless someone big falls into our lap (Lee, Cooks, OBJ) I just don't see us reaching for a WR. OT or CB will be the pick here.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are so many solid wrs in this draft that I'd hope to go moses/bitonio in the first and moncrief or adams in the second. I think philly would snag cooks. and while I like lee I'm still a little leery of USC wr.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impulser12000 wrote:
there are so many solid wrs in this draft that I'd hope to go moses/bitonio in the first and moncrief or adams in the second. I think philly would snag cooks. and while I like lee I'm still a little leery of USC wr.


Lee is a different person. I never got that argument.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone but Kelvin Benjamin would suit me fine, but I agree with some that WR shouldn't be the pick in the first round in such a deep class. We can find viable starters in rounds three through seven.

Don't forget this is a run-first offense and Rivera's assertion that the Panthers need only replace 10 catches per game is legitimate. It's defense, it's run the ball, it's time of possession.

That means to me the first two rounds will be along the OL or CB, with a 'blue goose' DL a strong possibility.

WR is the 'sexy' position, but pass catchers, for me, don't necessarily impact games enough to reach for one early.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

davlar wrote:
Anyone but Kelvin Benjamin would suit me fine, but I agree with some that WR shouldn't be the pick in the first round in such a deep class. We can find viable starters in rounds three through seven.

Don't forget this is a run-first offense and Rivera's assertion that the Panthers need only replace 10 catches per game is legitimate. It's defense, it's run the ball, it's time of possession.

That means to me the first two rounds will be along the OL or CB, with a 'blue goose' DL a strong possibility.

WR is the 'sexy' position, but pass catchers, for me, don't necessarily impact games enough to reach for one early.


Sad we are going to somewhat waste Cam Newton with this mindset.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panthers11 wrote:
davlar wrote:
Anyone but Kelvin Benjamin would suit me fine, but I agree with some that WR shouldn't be the pick in the first round in such a deep class. We can find viable starters in rounds three through seven.

Don't forget this is a run-first offense and Rivera's assertion that the Panthers need only replace 10 catches per game is legitimate. It's defense, it's run the ball, it's time of possession.

That means to me the first two rounds will be along the OL or CB, with a 'blue goose' DL a strong possibility.

WR is the 'sexy' position, but pass catchers, for me, don't necessarily impact games enough to reach for one early.


Sad we are going to somewhat waste Cam Newton with this mindset.




I think because we have Cam Newton we can limit our offense and still win. I know it seems like we're putting it all on Cam, but he is Superman.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cpanthers178990 wrote:
Panthers11 wrote:
davlar wrote:
Anyone but Kelvin Benjamin would suit me fine, but I agree with some that WR shouldn't be the pick in the first round in such a deep class. We can find viable starters in rounds three through seven.

Don't forget this is a run-first offense and Rivera's assertion that the Panthers need only replace 10 catches per game is legitimate. It's defense, it's run the ball, it's time of possession.

That means to me the first two rounds will be along the OL or CB, with a 'blue goose' DL a strong possibility.

WR is the 'sexy' position, but pass catchers, for me, don't necessarily impact games enough to reach for one early.


Sad we are going to somewhat waste Cam Newton with this mindset.




I think because we have Cam Newton we can limit our offense and still win. I know it seems like we're putting it all on Cam, but he is Superman.


Seattle puts emphasis on D but gets Wilson weapons. Why we cannot do that is beyond me.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why does everyone want another 5'10". cam throws high?
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ericr0319 wrote:
why does everyone want another 5'10". cam throws high?


Because every WR on our roster cant be 6-5 or better to accommodate a fixable/coachable flaw???
Because aside from his height, Cooks is a monster! He can run the ball, catch the ball, return kicks, hes a great football player. If he were 6-5, he would be the #1 pick in this draft? He would be more of a freak than Clowney.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We won't reach for WR.

Remember what Gettleman said - we have six to 10 OTs and WRs with a first round grade. I assume Matthews, Lewan, Robinson and possibly Khuandjio/Moses are among them, leaving maybe four wide receivers.

It's all speculation, of course, but I would much rather trade back a few picks to take advantage of a QB-needy team at the top of the second, move down a few picks and still get a Joel Bitonio or someone else, while picking up an extra fourth and change.
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