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LuckyNumber11


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mtdowner wrote:
Or NFL teams don't value Bridgewater all that highly. It's a possibility.


If they aren't 10 shots in and tripping while watching his tape they aren't. The dude is rock solid. No other way to put it. If he falls past 3 I will be in utter shock
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the Teddy and Savage stuff going around the media right now is hilarious to me. Either the media are getting fools made of themselves, or there are some seriously stupid teams out there. The Savage stuff in particular makes no sense, I can at least get why teams would try to tear down Teddy in the media. If you are the type of guy who thinks he can turn any big guy with an arm into an All Pro, why not Logan Thomas? I'm not sure there's a single thing Savage does better than him. Maybe Savage just has an agent with the right connections in the media.

DJ_Fka wrote:
I love teddy but cannot see the point in drafting him with our first pick

He cannot contribute enough in 2014 for me, how is he going to get us into playoffs this year compared to a safety, oline, TE etc?

Maybe trade 2015 1st to get back in at 28 etc to get him, then I'm ok


Why are we all in on winning now after a single 10-6 season? Picking Teddy is easily the best pick you could make at that spot, even if for some reason he didn't play for us in 2014. And do you really believe Teddy couldn't outplay Carson in 2014? The bar isn't set extremely high.

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TheMachONE wrote:
No way in Hell Bridgewater falls that far. If EJ Manuel was drafted 16th overall last year, Bridgewater isn't falling past there. Not a chance.


Geno Smith was the unanimous top QB and he fell to round 2.


Teddy is way better than Geno. It's not even that close.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teddy is better than Geno, that isn't even an argument.

Savage? I cannot see the hype, watch the game tape, should be enough to convince anyone he isn't 1st/2nd material

I believe that picking someone else other than Teddy can get us to 11-5. 12-4

I cannot see Teddy being worth 2 wins in 2014, Carson and Stanton are 1 -2 and paid like it, waste of a pick for a 3rd string QB.
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JLW


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So maybe one or two wins in 2014 is worth more to you than having Teddy for the next decade at least?

And Palmer threw more than 20 interceptions last year, improved QB play would be huge in getting that extra one or two wins.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JLW wrote:
So maybe one or two wins in 2014 is worth more to you than having Teddy for the next decade at least?

And Palmer threw more than 20 interceptions last year, improved QB play would be huge in getting that extra one or two wins.


So if we draft Teddy are you cutting Carson?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJ_Fka wrote:
Savage? I cannot see the hype, watch the game tape, should be enough to convince anyone he isn't 1st/2nd material


apparently this guy sees the hype:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/expert/rob-rang

Warning: horrific Cardinals mock
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Lawrence, though not at 20

I jump in front of traffic if we draft Savage
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either of the next 4 picks in that second round are better fits for our team

ASJ, Tuitt, James and Hagemonster.

WTF Rang?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJ_Fka wrote:
JLW wrote:
So maybe one or two wins in 2014 is worth more to you than having Teddy for the next decade at least?

And Palmer threw more than 20 interceptions last year, improved QB play would be huge in getting that extra one or two wins.


So if we draft Teddy are you cutting Carson?


Maybe. Cutting him would save $5M.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we go from a 10 year vet to a rookie QB and we are supposed to win more games than we did last year as Carson threw 20 picks?

Carson also threw a lot more TDs and completed passes as well

Just doesn't make sense, blowing it up after we turned from 5-11 team with 3 crap QBs to a 10-6 team with a QB that has proven himself

We aren't following the Jets here.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JLW wrote:
DJ_Fka wrote:
JLW wrote:
So maybe one or two wins in 2014 is worth more to you than having Teddy for the next decade at least?

And Palmer threw more than 20 interceptions last year, improved QB play would be huge in getting that extra one or two wins.


So if we draft Teddy are you cutting Carson?


Maybe. Cutting him would save $5M.


oh god... sounds like a horror story version of 2008:

"you know, we just drafted Matt Leinert, we should probably cut Kurt Warner now..."
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He threw 2 more TDs than INTs. That's not a lot more. It's not unreasonable to think Bridgewater could outperform him in his rookie year.

You wouldn't instantly cut Palmer and hand Teddy the job, you'd let them compete in camp. I'm positive Bridgewater would win the job. Would you rather waste $5M keeping Palmer on the bench at that point? No, you'd cut him. That's hardly "blowing it up."

And they drafted Leinart in 2006, Warner wasn't even entrenched as the starter, and it's very unlikely Palmer will be as good as Warner was. Not even a remotely accurate comparison.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZPSquared wrote:
I'm intrigued by Tom Savage. His stock is sky rocketing. He has the tools to be successful; strong arm, good vision, pocket presence


Tom Savage is John Skelton. If you are happy to bring Skelton back....
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palmer is a stopgap. No way in hot hell does Keim pass on Bridgewater.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
Palmer is a stopgap. No way in hot hell does Keim pass on Bridgewater.


I wouldn't pass on him at #1 overall. But I do think Keim may pass on Teddy at 20. If the info coming out now is not smoke, Teddy may not be close to BPA for this team at 20.
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