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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gilbert is very overrated in this forum. I don't know if it's because of his return ability or what but give me the better coverage CB 10 times out of 10 and Dennard, Fuller, Verrett, and possibly some others are all better.


Against inferior competition. Dennard played against the worst WRs in college football.

Dennard chickened out of Senior Bowl too because he knew he would be exposed as a fraud against superior competition.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000315777/article/aj-mccarron-darqueze-dennard-chided-for-skipping-senior-bowl

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"People are worried about his long speed and his ability to cover off-man," Mayock said on the NFL Network. "I look at this kid, and I had this conversation with a general manager and a head coach this morning, and their point was, 'Listen, we know he can press, we know he's tough, but we need to see him off. And if he doesn't show up, we assume he can't do it. Not that he can do it."


http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/steelers-nfl-draft-prospects-scouting-video-2014/2014/1/7/5275726/2014-nfl-draft-prospects-darqueze-dennard-scouting-report-film-video

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Dennard is a good but not great corner. His technique is on par with the top of his position in college. His play recognition is also good. Dennard however lacks the top end athletic skills to make him an elite prospect. He will likely be exposed in 1-on-1 man coverage without safety help and looks to fit a zone team that presses their corners well. Regardless of this Dennard is a football player. With his limitations Dennard shouldn't be picked until the second half of the first round. However a weak defensive draft will push him up.

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RIP CITY wrote:
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Gilbert is half the football player Watkins is

#notimpressed

Oh yeah - and Dennard is better than Gilbert and will be in the NFL and there are 10 CBs in this draft just as good if not better than Gilbert

#turnaboutfairplay


Wow

Some people will say ANYTHING to make their stance sound reasonable.

Exactly. Hence the bold.

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

None of the corners in this draft are top 15 guys......gilbert/dennard/verret are all borderline first rounders
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

detfan782004 wrote:
DrRay11 wrote:
Gilbert is very overrated in this forum. I don't know if it's because of his return ability or what but give me the better coverage CB 10 times out of 10 and Dennard, Fuller, Verrett, and possibly some others are all better.


Against inferior competition. Dennard played against the worst WRs in college football.

Dennard chickened out of Senior Bowl too because he knew he would be exposed as a fraud against superior competition.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000315777/article/aj-mccarron-darqueze-dennard-chided-for-skipping-senior-bowl

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"People are worried about his long speed and his ability to cover off-man," Mayock said on the NFL Network. "I look at this kid, and I had this conversation with a general manager and a head coach this morning, and their point was, 'Listen, we know he can press, we know he's tough, but we need to see him off. And if he doesn't show up, we assume he can't do it. Not that he can do it."


http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/steelers-nfl-draft-prospects-scouting-video-2014/2014/1/7/5275726/2014-nfl-draft-prospects-darqueze-dennard-scouting-report-film-video

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Dennard is a good but not great corner. His technique is on par with the top of his position in college. His play recognition is also good. Dennard however lacks the top end athletic skills to make him an elite prospect. He will likely be exposed in 1-on-1 man coverage without safety help and looks to fit a zone team that presses their corners well. Regardless of this Dennard is a football player. With his limitations Dennard shouldn't be picked until the second half of the first round. However a weak defensive draft will push him up.


He faced just as many future. NFL WRs as any other. I'm not sure where all the big12 talent is at WR. This is probably the weakest argument against Dennard I have heard.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comedy comedy. Yea no. dGB and Baylor wr dominate anything Dennard saw

The worst teams in big 12 sport better WR then best in big ten


Outside Robinson big ten sucks at position
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the mistakes scouts, GM's and talent evaluators make its amusing to read the absolute opinions and evaluations expressed by fans.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

detfan782004 wrote:
Comedy comedy. Yea no. dGB and Baylor wr dominate anything Dennard saw

The worst teams in big 12 sport better WR then best in big ten


Outside Robinson big ten sucks at position


Holy hyperbole Batman!

Not even close to true.
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detfan782004 wrote:
Comedy comedy. Yea no. dGB and Baylor wr dominate anything Dennard saw

The worst teams in big 12 sport better WR then best in big ten


Outside Robinson big ten sucks at position


Holy hyperbole Batman!

Not even close to true.


Name one good WR outside Robinson
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detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
Comedy comedy. Yea no. dGB and Baylor wr dominate anything Dennard saw

The worst teams in big 12 sport better WR then best in big ten


Outside Robinson big ten sucks at position


Holy hyperbole Batman!

Not even close to true.


Name one good WR outside Robinson


That wasn't the statement I bolded or commented on, it was your ridiculous assertion that the worst Big 12 teams have better WR than the best in the Big Ten.

Allen Robinson
Cody Latimer
Jeremy Gallon
Jared Abbredaris

are all easily NFL caliber mid round type WR's, just from this draft class alone.

That doesn't include any of the underclassman WR's either.

EDIT: And all of those guys would be among the best WR's in the Big 12 as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
Comedy comedy. Yea no. dGB and Baylor wr dominate anything Dennard saw

The worst teams in big 12 sport better WR then best in big ten


Outside Robinson big ten sucks at position


Holy hyperbole Batman!

Not even close to true.


Name one good WR outside Robinson


That wasn't the statement I bolded or commented on, it was your ridiculous assertion that the worst Big 12 teams have better WR than the best in the Big Ten.

Allen Robinson
Cody Latimer
Jeremy Gallon
Jared Abbredaris

are all easily NFL caliber mid round type WR's, just from this draft class alone.

That doesn't include any of the underclassman WR's either.

EDIT: And all of those guys would be among the best WR's in the Big 12 as well.


List is horrid. Gallon is UDFA to late pick at best
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
Comedy comedy. Yea no. dGB and Baylor wr dominate anything Dennard saw

The worst teams in big 12 sport better WR then best in big ten


Outside Robinson big ten sucks at position


Holy hyperbole Batman!

Not even close to true.


Name one good WR outside Robinson


That wasn't the statement I bolded or commented on, it was your ridiculous assertion that the worst Big 12 teams have better WR than the best in the Big Ten.

Allen Robinson
Cody Latimer
Jeremy Gallon
Jared Abbredaris

are all easily NFL caliber mid round type WR's, just from this draft class alone.

That doesn't include any of the underclassman WR's either.

EDIT: And all of those guys would be among the best WR's in the Big 12 as well.


List is horrid. Gallon is UDFA to late pick at best


Quick, without looking, name me the WR's on the following teams (aka the worst teams in the Big 12 who supposedly have better receivers than Robinson, Gallon, Latimer, Abbredaris, etc.):

Kansas
Iowa State
West Virginia

Gallon would have been a top 5 WR in the Big 12 this year without a doubt. Robinson and Abbredaris could probably say the same.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
Comedy comedy. Yea no. dGB and Baylor wr dominate anything Dennard saw

The worst teams in big 12 sport better WR then best in big ten


Outside Robinson big ten sucks at position


Holy hyperbole Batman!

Not even close to true.


Name one good WR outside Robinson


That wasn't the statement I bolded or commented on, it was your ridiculous assertion that the worst Big 12 teams have better WR than the best in the Big Ten.

Allen Robinson
Cody Latimer
Jeremy Gallon
Jared Abbredaris

are all easily NFL caliber mid round type WR's, just from this draft class alone.

That doesn't include any of the underclassman WR's either.

EDIT: And all of those guys would be among the best WR's in the Big 12 as well.


List is horrid. Gallon is UDFA to late pick at best


Quick, without looking, name me the WR's on the following teams (aka the worst teams in the Big 12 who supposedly have better receivers than Robinson, Gallon, Latimer, Abbredaris, etc.):

Kansas
Iowa State
West Virginia

Gallon would have been a top 5 WR in the Big 12 this year without a doubt. Robinson and Abbredaris could probably say the same.


I said outside Robinson. Bundrage> rest of your list. Kansas WV don't throw a lot so yea they probably middle of bug ten
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detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
Comedy comedy. Yea no. dGB and Baylor wr dominate anything Dennard saw

The worst teams in big 12 sport better WR then best in big ten


Outside Robinson big ten sucks at position


Holy hyperbole Batman!

Not even close to true.


Name one good WR outside Robinson


That wasn't the statement I bolded or commented on, it was your ridiculous assertion that the worst Big 12 teams have better WR than the best in the Big Ten.

Allen Robinson
Cody Latimer
Jeremy Gallon
Jared Abbredaris

are all easily NFL caliber mid round type WR's, just from this draft class alone.

That doesn't include any of the underclassman WR's either.

EDIT: And all of those guys would be among the best WR's in the Big 12 as well.


List is horrid. Gallon is UDFA to late pick at best


Quick, without looking, name me the WR's on the following teams (aka the worst teams in the Big 12 who supposedly have better receivers than Robinson, Gallon, Latimer, Abbredaris, etc.):

Kansas
Iowa State
West Virginia

Gallon would have been a top 5 WR in the Big 12 this year without a doubt. Robinson and Abbredaris could probably say the same.


I said outside Robinson. Bundrage> rest of your list. Kansas WV don't throw a lot so yea they probably middle of bug ten


So you admit your statement was absolutely ridiculous and utterly false. Got it, thanks for admitting you were wrong.

Also:

B1G WR projected to be drafted in 2014 NFL Draft:

Robinson (2nd-3rd)
Abbredaris (2nd-3rd)
Latimer (mid-late)
Gallon (late-UDFA)
Fowler (late-UDFA)
Enunwa (late-UDFA)
Colter (late-UDFA)

Big 12 WR projected to be drafted in 2014 NFL Draft:

Saunders (mid-late round)
Reese (late round-UDFA)
Stewart (late round-UDFA)
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Going further. Next year class he has faced Lockett, Goodley, Norwood, Shipley, McCay/ All of them ahead of first Big Ten scrub at WR.

He held Green Beckham to 4 catches for 53 yards in bowl game and he is a lock to be a top 5 pick coming up next year or year after depending when he comes out.
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1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
1King wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
Comedy comedy. Yea no. dGB and Baylor wr dominate anything Dennard saw

The worst teams in big 12 sport better WR then best in big ten


Outside Robinson big ten sucks at position


Holy hyperbole Batman!

Not even close to true.


Name one good WR outside Robinson


That wasn't the statement I bolded or commented on, it was your ridiculous assertion that the worst Big 12 teams have better WR than the best in the Big Ten.

Allen Robinson
Cody Latimer
Jeremy Gallon
Jared Abbredaris

are all easily NFL caliber mid round type WR's, just from this draft class alone.

That doesn't include any of the underclassman WR's either.

EDIT: And all of those guys would be among the best WR's in the Big 12 as well.


List is horrid. Gallon is UDFA to late pick at best


Quick, without looking, name me the WR's on the following teams (aka the worst teams in the Big 12 who supposedly have better receivers than Robinson, Gallon, Latimer, Abbredaris, etc.):

Kansas
Iowa State
West Virginia

Gallon would have been a top 5 WR in the Big 12 this year without a doubt. Robinson and Abbredaris could probably say the same.


I said outside Robinson. Bundrage> rest of your list. Kansas WV don't throw a lot so yea they probably middle of bug ten


So you admit your statement was absolutely ridiculous and utterly false. Got it, thanks for admitting you were wrong.

Also:

B1G WR projected to be drafted in 2014 NFL Draft:

Robinson (2nd-3rd)
Abbredaris (2nd-3rd)
Latimer (mid-late)
Gallon (late-UDFA)
Fowler (late-UDFA)
Enunwa (late-UDFA)
Colter (late-UDFA)

Big 12 WR projected to be drafted in 2014 NFL Draft:

Saunders (mid-late round)
Reese (late round-UDFA)
Stewart (late round-UDFA)


Of course you would totally ignore all the talent in 2015 class and him shutting down Beckham Green because it would hurt your case.


SOrry your homerism of Gallon and Big Ten football blinding you. Nothing about the Big Ten screams good passing games. Nothing.
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