Discuss football with over 60,000 fans. Free Membership. Join now!

 FAQFAQ  RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

FootballsFuture.com Forum Index
FootballsFuture.com Home

Cooks vs. ODB Jr.
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    FootballsFuture.com Forum Index -> Kansas City Chiefs
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Diesel2692


Joined: 15 Mar 2009
Posts: 2618
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both would help out offense and fit nicely personally I like ODB more. What scares me is all the mocks with us getting Benjamin. He's a talent but not a great fit IMO. And gives me flashbacks of Baldwin

There is 0 chance I think we take a qb in 1st even if one fell.

I think our 1st will be and needs to be either WR, S, OG, OLB
And I think when our pick comes up it will be either WR ot OG because of what's available. I'm hoping WR but Andy had a soft spot for OL so wouldn't shock me.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DT58_lives_on


Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 5755
Location: St. Cloud, MN
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good god, that video doe! I realize it's a highlight video, but take a look at the catch around 2:45. How many of those passes have we seen go skidding across the turf/grass in the past few years?

Second observation, go back and watch the video again, watch him high point the ball in coverage, watch him catch EVERY pass that isn't over the shoulder with his hands rather than D-bowing it off his chest.

Honestly if this guy was 6'2" or higher, I think he'd be up there with Evans and Watkins. As it stands now, I'm just hoping people fall in love with those two, I've heard the Jets love Lee...so maybe, just maybe ODB could be there. I'll cry a bit if he is, and we go another direction, less upset if it was Cooks than an OL or DL.

Plus, I just don't see any OL/DL picks that are really clearly above the rest of the pack. Other than Clowney I haven't heard ANYTHING about the second best DL in the group. Same for any OL that are starting quality LTs. Saw a draft with Taylor Lewan falling to us, and I guess I'd be ok with the pick, but it certainly doesn't make a lot of sense unless we're moving someone inside. Plus he's got some real baggage.
_________________
[image]http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg481/jesse_fritsch1/DEEFORD2_zpsef1ad50c.jpg[image]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ArrowheadRage58


Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Posts: 4087
Location: Hate for the Donkeys is at a mile high
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingseanjohn wrote:
pauk109 wrote:
I would be happy with either, but my vote goes to Odell Beckham Jr.....10" hands, nearly 33" arms, and 4.4 speed is impressive


Cooks has 9 5/8" hands, nearly 31" arms and 4.33 speed. So hands are pretty much a wash. His arms are obviously two inches shorter. But his speed is a bit better.

I seriously just love the little things he does right. He switches the ball to the outside hand, he is great at toe tapping, he fights for and catches the ball at all points, runs all routes, his stop and go ability reminds me of a young Dante Hall but WAY better, etc.

One thing that stuck out to me watching ODB Jr was that when he jukes or makes a big cut he lets his ball carrying arm go out and/or up away from his body. I worry that the better defenders in the NFL will take advantage.




Here's a recent highlight video from Oregon State with highlights plus stats: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfnYcEOHqCk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nea1ESUBdTo

Probably my favorite spot that I recommend watching, if not the whole second video:
1:20. Are you kidding me? Avoiding the first tackle, staying in bounds plus his awareness to know he wasn't down and his recovery to get up and out run everyone!


I really don't think they'll both be there at 23. I'm actually quite nervous that Cook and ODB Jr will both be gone. But if both are there, Cooks is obviously my choice.


That play at 1:20 was the best I've ever seen...however stating his stop & go ability is better than Dante is just mind boggling. Other than Barry Sanders, nobody can match Dante in that regard. I prefer ODB, but it's very close...I love his adjustments to the ball, his fluidity, and his hands a little more. Cooks seems to lose speed taking multiple baby steps to change direction at high speeds instead of one quick cut...minor complaint.Tiebreaker goes to the SEC player from a run team over the PAC 10 player in a passing offense.

Key catch: watch that video ryk posted at :50....catches the ball with his hands while keeping an eye on the corner and then setting his feet up to cut all while in the air and then turns and burns in a blink.

onejayhawk wrote:
I am still in the neither group. I would much rather get OL, DE or OLB. There is also the possibility of a CB sliding

J


Insanity...DE is not an impact player on our D and we have 2 starters, Catapano and Bailey. OLB is full...it's too soon to take a future starter for Tamba in the 1st round. We are good at CB and nickel backs don't go in the 1st round... OL??? We are set at T and C...we have 3 G's to compete with each other, they aren't great but a G in the 1st is not gonna help put this team over the top. A 2nd WR will...plus G's are one of the easiest positions to find a gem later in the draft. What's your angle?
_________________
49ers Finest wrote:

People just seem to be mad because the chiefs are all of a sudden doing what their fans thought they were capable of
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Morkim


Joined: 15 Feb 2014
Posts: 679
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like Ebron to fall to us.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
ryknowssd


Joined: 13 Jan 2007
Posts: 22810
Location: Awesomeville
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morkim wrote:
I'd like Ebron to fall to us.


Ebron it's a great athlete and a decent blocker, but an atrocious receiver. No thanks.
_________________

bigschmadt00 wrote:
Oooohhhh YEAHH!!! WOO PIG SOOIE!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DT58_lives_on


Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 5755
Location: St. Cloud, MN
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like us taking a TE high any more. I am really getting the impression we're ok with going into the season and seeing where/how some of our people play. Now mid-late round is anybodies guess. But at minimum with Fasano and Kelce a first round TE seems like a huge stretch. Particularly because they have all been dropping on the draft boards.
_________________
[image]http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg481/jesse_fritsch1/DEEFORD2_zpsef1ad50c.jpg[image]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
onejayhawk


Joined: 14 Apr 2006
Posts: 5666
Location: Waco, Tx
PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArrowheadRage58 wrote:
onejayhawk wrote:
I am still in the neither group. I would much rather get OL, DE or OLB. There is also the possibility of a CB sliding

J


Insanity...DE is not an impact player on our D and we have 2 starters, Catapano and Bailey. OLB is full...it's too soon to take a future starter for Tamba in the 1st round. We are good at CB and nickel backs don't go in the 1st round... OL??? We are set at T and C...we have 3 G's to compete with each other, they aren't great but a G in the 1st is not gonna help put this team over the top. A 2nd WR will...plus G's are one of the easiest positions to find a gem later in the draft. What's your angle?


Poe is not an impact player? 5-tech is hard to draft and this is not a premium pick, just a good one. Like most years, I would trade down by preference.

I give you this much. AB is worth trotting out there more. I am not so sure about Catupano. He looks more like a situational player.

J
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Chiefer


Joined: 20 Nov 2009
Posts: 11179
Location: Somewhere in an Arizona Desert...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryknowssd wrote:
Morkim wrote:
I'd like Ebron to fall to us.


Ebron it's a great athlete and a decent blocker, but an atrocious receiver. No thanks.

What does this mean? I don't think he's that bad. Maybe not great, but not uncoachable.

He just has terrible awareness sometimes, like he doesn't know what to do in certain situations. The offense looked badly coached so I don't blame him.
_________________
Andy Reid on Tommy Bahama Shirts wrote:
You wear them and you can hide cheeseburgers underneath and no one will ever know.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ryknowssd


Joined: 13 Jan 2007
Posts: 22810
Location: Awesomeville
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chiefer wrote:
ryknowssd wrote:
Morkim wrote:
I'd like Ebron to fall to us.


Ebron it's a great athlete and a decent blocker, but an atrocious receiver. No thanks.

What does this mean? I don't think he's that bad. Maybe not great, but not uncoachable.

He just has terrible awareness sometimes, like he doesn't know what to do in certain situations. The offense looked badly coached so I don't blame him.


He rounds off his routes, doesn't know how to use his body to shield defenders, has hands of stone and atrocious situational awareness. From what I've seen of him on tape, he's an athlete, not a football player. If we take him in the 1st round, I'll be livid. If he falls to the third? Sure. Even if the only option was to draft a TE in the 1st, I'd still much rather have CJ Fedierowicz. Ebron is just another Dustin Keller with worse hands and better blocking. I don't see him panning out at all.
_________________

bigschmadt00 wrote:
Oooohhhh YEAHH!!! WOO PIG SOOIE!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valkrei


Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Posts: 4503
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryknowssd wrote:
Chiefer wrote:
ryknowssd wrote:
Morkim wrote:
I'd like Ebron to fall to us.


Ebron it's a great athlete and a decent blocker, but an atrocious receiver. No thanks.

What does this mean? I don't think he's that bad. Maybe not great, but not uncoachable.

He just has terrible awareness sometimes, like he doesn't know what to do in certain situations. The offense looked badly coached so I don't blame him.


He rounds off his routes, doesn't know how to use his body to shield defenders, has hands of stone and atrocious situational awareness. From what I've seen of him on tape, he's an athlete, not a football player. If we take him in the 1st round, I'll be livid. If he falls to the third? Sure. Even if the only option was to draft a TE in the 1st, I'd still much rather have CJ Fedierowicz. Ebron is just another Dustin Keller with worse hands and better blocking. I don't see him panning out at all.


Regardless of what anyone thinks about Ebron, It would be hard to justify taking him over some of the WR that will be available when we pick. Kiper has even said the WR we pick at our slot next year would be a top 10 pick most likely. The WR class this year is that good. It is also highly likley unless DBowe negotiates in the somewhat near future he will be released based on pay and production.

I am also hopefull that Kelce will be back and be able to stay on the field.
_________________


Props to Loto Tailback for the SIG!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DT58_lives_on


Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 5755
Location: St. Cloud, MN
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Regardless of what anyone thinks about Ebron, It would be hard to justify taking him over some of the WR that will be available when we pick.


I think this hits the nail on the head. I think Reid/Dorsey may be more comfortable with the TEs on the roster than they are getting credit for. Fasano and McGrath are decent, Kelce is an unknown with huge upside. Now another injury filled season, or drop off in production for Fasano/McGrath and next year I think TE moves way up the list. Also, I think adding a legitimate outside threat teams may actually worry will catch the ball will open up the middle of the field and improve our TE production.

TE wouldn't shock me, but honestly I'd be disappointed.
_________________
[image]http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg481/jesse_fritsch1/DEEFORD2_zpsef1ad50c.jpg[image]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ArrowheadRage58


Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Posts: 4087
Location: Hate for the Donkeys is at a mile high
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

onejayhawk wrote:
ArrowheadRage58 wrote:
onejayhawk wrote:
I am still in the neither group. I would much rather get OL, DE or OLB. There is also the possibility of a CB sliding

J


Insanity...DE is not an impact player on our D and we have 2 starters, Catapano and Bailey. OLB is full...it's too soon to take a future starter for Tamba in the 1st round. We are good at CB and nickel backs don't go in the 1st round... OL??? We are set at T and C...we have 3 G's to compete with each other, they aren't great but a G in the 1st is not gonna help put this team over the top. A 2nd WR will...plus G's are one of the easiest positions to find a gem later in the draft. What's your angle?


Poe is not an impact player? 5-tech is hard to draft and this is not a premium pick, just a good one. Like most years, I would trade down by preference.

I give you this much. AB is worth trotting out there more. I am not so sure about Catupano. He looks more like a situational player.

J


Poe is not a DE for us...
_________________
49ers Finest wrote:

People just seem to be mad because the chiefs are all of a sudden doing what their fans thought they were capable of
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Chiefer


Joined: 20 Nov 2009
Posts: 11179
Location: Somewhere in an Arizona Desert...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryknowssd wrote:

He rounds off his routes, doesn't know how to use his body to shield defenders, has hands of stone and atrocious situational awareness. From what I've seen of him on tape, he's an athlete, not a football player. If we take him in the 1st round, I'll be livid. If he falls to the third? Sure. Even if the only option was to draft a TE in the 1st, I'd still much rather have CJ Fedierowicz. Ebron is just another Dustin Keller with worse hands and better blocking. I don't see him panning out at all.

Thing is I keep imagining Ebron running the seam route and Smith connecting with him over, and over, and over again.

Ebron's hands don't seem to be that bad, maybe I need to watch more tape.

All I know is Ebron is an explosive playmaker, Reid loves those guys and he'll be given a long look on draft day. Probably going to go WR to groom Bowe's heir-apparent.
_________________
Andy Reid on Tommy Bahama Shirts wrote:
You wear them and you can hide cheeseburgers underneath and no one will ever know.


Last edited by Chiefer on Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:59 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
FootballProdiG


Joined: 16 Sep 2012
Posts: 8194
Location: The Film Room
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WR class is so deep, you could honestly get away with going DL or OL in the first, and going to Jordan Matthews from Vanderbilt or Allen Robinson from Penn State in the second.
_________________
Amateur Draft Analyst

Eagles&VOLS Fan

20/20 vision for talent; FF's WR/DB specialist
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kingseanjohn


Joined: 16 Oct 2009
Posts: 2525
Location: Global
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FootballProdiG wrote:
WR class is so deep, you could honestly get away with going DL or OL in the first, and going to Jordan Matthews from Vanderbilt or Allen Robinson from Penn State in the second.


If only we had a 2nd round pick...
_________________


2014 Adopt-A-Chief: Jamaal Charles
Rushes:0 Yds:0 TD:0 YPC:0.0
Catches:0 Yds:0 TD:0
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   

Post new topic   Reply to topic    FootballsFuture.com Forum Index -> Kansas City Chiefs All times are GMT - 4 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Page 2 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group