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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:55 pm    Post subject: Post Jared Allen Mock Draft Reply with quote

1[14] S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix [Alabama] 6'1" 209lbs.

With the additions that Phil Emery has made to the DL and the return of Charles Tillman there is now only 1 glaring need on the defense and that is FS. The Bears could take a DT here, but I also think that Houston and Idonije will get a lot of 3rd down DT work and that leaves limited reps for a young DT. The Bears want to be more aggressive on defense and to do that you need a safety capable of covering the deep third and matching up in man coverage. Last season the Bears had embarrassing safety play and they cannot afford to have it derail a season again. Clinton-Dix is not a thumper, but he is the best coverage safety in the draft and has the range to play zone and the size to match up with TEs in the passing game. HCD would give the Bears their most gifted safety since Mike Brown.



2[51] CB Bashaud Breeland [Clemson] 6' 190lbs.

The Bears best 3 CBs are all over 30, 2 of them are on 1 year deals, 2 of them dealt with serious injuries in 2013 and the other is a 5'8" #2 CB that cannot match up with the bigger WRs the Bears face. The Bears may no need a starter in 2014, but they need someone who can be counted on to start in 2015. Breeland has been compared to Charles Tillman because of his length and physicality. He is a raw player, that probably would have been a 1st round pick had he gone back to school. He has a year to develop behind some very good CBs and he will provide depth in case injuries become an issue.



3[82] DT Da'Quan Jones [Penn State] 6'4" 323lbs.

The Bears do not have a ton of reps for a young DLmen with their additions and they have even less if Houston and Idonije take reps at DT on passing downs. But the Bears do have room for some youth and size on the interior and could use a high upside back up NT that has starting potential down the line. Jones has the size that the Bears have been missing on the interior and with his power he can immediately enter the rotation and help them against the run and in short yardage. This move will also allow Paea to play fewer snaps and hopefully keep him healthier. Depth killed the Bears last season and this season they have far more options.



4. LB Jordan Zumwalt [UCLA] 6'4" 235lbs.

The Bears need a long term answer at MLB, but they do not need somone who has to play all 3 downs. The 4th round is the perfect time to look for a player that needs to be a 2 down plugger and that if they develop into more than bonus. Zumwalt dealt with injuries at UCLA, but he is big, physical and plays with a ton of aggression and physicality. He will be a special teams stand out and a good run plugger for the Bears that can set the physical ton fo the defense.



5. C Bryan Stork [Florida St] 6'4" 315lbs.

With Garza and Boggs back at C the immediate need at C may not exist, but the Bears still need a C of the future and that will consist of a competition between Stork and Boggs. Stork has the size and the top level experience to be a starter in the NFL.



6. QB Tom Savage [Pitt] 6'5" 235lbs.

Savage has the size, big arm, and ability to potentially turn into something at the NFL level. The problems are that he never really produced at an elite level, he was pummeled at PITT, and he has some serious technique work to do. Enter the QB whisperer who gets a project with upside to work with and see if he can develop him into something. Having a developmental player to take advantage of Trestman's specific expertise is an advantage that the Bears should avail themselves of. Maybe Savage is a long term back up, maybe he becomes trade bait, and maybe he is the long term replacement for Cutler.



6. RB Storm Johnson [UCF] 6' 210lbs.

The Bears need some cheap RB depth that will run hard in short yardage situations and play on special teams, a couple of things that Michael Bush did not do last season. Johnson runs hard and violent and he can play on special teams.



QB: Cutler, Palmer, Savage
RB: Forte, Ford, Johnson
FB: Fiammetta
WR: Marshall, Jeffery, Wilson, Hixon, Tolliver
TE: Bennett, Rosario, Onubon
LT: Bushrod
LG: Slauson, Brown
C: Garza, Stork
RG: Long, Boggs
RT: Mills, Britton

RE: Allen, Young, Bass
DT: Ratliff, Idonije, Collins
NT: Paea, Jones
LE: Houston, Washington
SLB: Bostic, McClellin, Franklin
MLB: Williams, Zumwalt
WLB: Briggs, Greene
CB: Tillman, Jennings, Breeland, Frey, McManis, Hayden
FS: Clinton-Dix, Conte, Jennings
SS: Mundy, Steltz
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signing Allen changes nothing when it comes to our needs IMO…we still shouldn’t be going into next season with a starting DT combination of Paea & Ratliff…we still badly need talent on that Dline especially inside and if there is a DE with talent on the board in the 2nd we should still try and grab him…Allen is a bandage…nothing more.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
Signing Allen changes nothing when it comes to our needs IMO…we still shouldn’t be going into next season with a starting DT combination of Paea & Ratliff…we still badly need talent on that Dline especially inside and if there is a DE with talent on the board in the 2nd we should still try and grab him…Allen is a bandage…nothing more.

We added 3 DEs on top of Bass who the team seemingly likes and Washington who showed nothing last year but probably gets a shot to show something this year. We can probably use another a young DE but it's not a 2014 or 2015 immediate need so a late rounder is probably all we get there IMO. There's a good chance a rookie DE wouldn't even be active on game day as we are presently constructed. Also, I'd be fine with Ratliff/Paea/Collins/Jones at DT for us with Houston and possibly Izzy also taking DT reps on passing downs.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
Signing Allen changes nothing when it comes to our needs IMO…we still shouldn’t be going into next season with a starting DT combination of Paea & Ratliff…we still badly need talent on that Dline especially inside and if there is a DE with talent on the board in the 2nd we should still try and grab him…Allen is a bandage…nothing more.


I feel way more comfortable with Ratliff and Paea

Then

Conte and Mundy

People talk about Seattles DL and how deep they are and how many pass rusher they have, but they also have exceptional safeties and really good CBs and CB depth.

We cannot over invest in the DL and have nothing behind them.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZBearsFan wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Signing Allen changes nothing when it comes to our needs IMO…we still shouldn’t be going into next season with a starting DT combination of Paea & Ratliff…we still badly need talent on that Dline especially inside and if there is a DE with talent on the board in the 2nd we should still try and grab him…Allen is a bandage…nothing more.

We added 3 DEs on top of Bass who the team seemingly likes and Washington who showed nothing last year but probably gets a shot to show something this year. We can probably use another a young DE but it's not a 2014 or 2015 immediate need so a late rounder is probably all we get there IMO. There's a good chance a rookie DE wouldn't even be active on game day as we are presently constructed. Also, I'd be fine with Ratliff/Paea/Collins/Jones at DT for us with Houston and possibly Izzy also taking DT reps on passing downs.


I fully expect Houston to line up inside at DT every time we play nickel D…which last year was over 50% of the time…Allen will start at RE then you have Young or Bass rotating in at DE on 3rd down…those two aren’t talented enough to pass on a quality DE if they are just sitting there in the 2nd round IMO…DT wise we would have an often injured Stephen Paea…an often injured Jay Ratliff…a returning from an ACL Nate Collins…a rookie…and Israel Idonije who is more of a DE…now as I said I expect Houston will line up inside quite a bit but if that is our DT depth I would expect him to have to slide inside full time by the mid-way point of the season…

I can see the argument for not taking a DE in the 2nd round if there is a comparable talent at CB or S but we badly need DT help.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
AZBearsFan wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Signing Allen changes nothing when it comes to our needs IMO…we still shouldn’t be going into next season with a starting DT combination of Paea & Ratliff…we still badly need talent on that Dline especially inside and if there is a DE with talent on the board in the 2nd we should still try and grab him…Allen is a bandage…nothing more.

We added 3 DEs on top of Bass who the team seemingly likes and Washington who showed nothing last year but probably gets a shot to show something this year. We can probably use another a young DE but it's not a 2014 or 2015 immediate need so a late rounder is probably all we get there IMO. There's a good chance a rookie DE wouldn't even be active on game day as we are presently constructed. Also, I'd be fine with Ratliff/Paea/Collins/Jones at DT for us with Houston and possibly Izzy also taking DT reps on passing downs.





I fully expect Houston to line up inside at DT every time we play nickel D…which last year was over 50% of the time…Allen will start at RE then you have Young or Bass rotating in at DE on 3rd down…those two aren’t talented enough to pass on a quality DE if they are just sitting there in the 2nd round IMO…DT wise we would have an often injured Stephen Paea…an often injured Jay Ratliff…a returning from an ACL Nate Collins…a rookie…and Israel Idonije who is more of a DE…now as I said I expect Houston will line up inside quite a bit but if that is our DT depth I would expect him to have to slide inside full time by the mid-way point of the season…

I can see the argument for not taking a DE in the 2nd round if there is a comparable talent at CB or S but we badly need DT help.


I agree we need depth.

But we are talking about needing STARTERS at safety. What happens when Paea gets injured? Better question is what happens when no one gets injured at safety because we are already starting 2 backups?

What happens if Tillman goes down? Give me Izzy or Houston at DT before Hayden at CB. As crazy as this is we have better depth at DL than at any secondary position.

Let's say we draft Donald, which I would over Clinton-Dix. Houston is not going inside anymore, which means Youngs reps go down. There are not a ton of reps left on the DL if Houston is taking 3rd downs at DT.

Bass showed enough not to be replaced right away with a high pick.

God add in their obsession with making McClellin less of a bust and we may be looking at even fewer pass rush reps.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil did make a comment about how much offensive talent will be on the board at #14...
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Phil did make a comment about how much offensive talent will be on the board at #14...


Who are we going to draft a center? Because nobody on the right side needs replacing. Bushrod and Slauson are locked up long term.
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You guys have already said it pretty much.....while Allen is a bandage....he is still a BANDAGE....and we guaranteed him 2 years basically. Add that to the fact that Houston and Young are young guys and there just isnt room for a rookie DE anymore.

Im all for being cautious with injuries but really you dont draft for injuries. If any of those 3 get hurt its simply up to Bass and Washington to step up.

Actually the DT I would like would be Nix who would fill in at the NT as opposed to UT......but even then, I wouldnt take him at 14.

I think for where we are drafting we have to go DB, which isnt a bad thing because we will probably have our choice of any of them.....Gilbert might be the only one gone
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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G08 wrote:
Phil did make a comment about how much offensive talent will be on the board at #14...


Who are we going to draft a center? Because nobody on the right side needs replacing. Bushrod and Slauson are locked up long term.


I wouldn't be stunned if Eric Ebron was there and we took him. Not in the slightest.
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G08 wrote:
GOGRIESE wrote:
G08 wrote:
Phil did make a comment about how much offensive talent will be on the board at #14...


Who are we going to draft a center? Because nobody on the right side needs replacing. Bushrod and Slauson are locked up long term.


I wouldn't be stunned if Eric Ebron was there and we took him. Not in the slightest.


Sorry I thought you said offensive line....3rd time I've done that today
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No.1 need is DT so by definition Aaron Donald is a Chicago Bear the only exception and folks could think I'm freaking nuts is Jason Verrett. I see something special there gut feeling.

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No.1 need is DT definition Aaron Donald is a Chicago Bear. Next need is S. Then CB in that order peace out and Bear Down Cool


Again, I LOVE Donald but I just can't agree with that.

Right now we have Ratliff, Paea, Collins, and a part-timer in Houston at DT. This draft is deep at DT so I'd have to go Ha-Ha if he's there.
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G08 wrote:
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No.1 need is DT definition Aaron Donald is a Chicago Bear. Next need is S. Then CB in that order peace out and Bear Down Cool


Again, I LOVE Donald but I just can't agree with that.

Right now we have Ratliff, Paea, Collins, and a part-timer in Houston at DT. This draft is deep at DT so I'd have to go Ha-Ha if he's there.
It doesn't matter because Aaron Donald is to good a talent to pass up on at #14.
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No.1 need is DT definition Aaron Donald is a Chicago Bear. Next need is S. Then CB in that order peace out and Bear Down Cool


Again, I LOVE Donald but I just can't agree with that.

Right now we have Ratliff, Paea, Collins, and a part-timer in Houston at DT. This draft is deep at DT so I'd have to go Ha-Ha if he's there.
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