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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:37 pm    Post subject: Mock Offseason 4.0 Reply with quote

Keep in mind that I try to predict what we will do, and keep it as realistic as possible.


Free Agency
**NOTE** I will only be listing guys who make the 53 man roster.

- Ryan Fitzpatrick (1-2 year deal)

With the team talking to Brandon Weeden before he signed with the Cowboys, it's looking like we're searching for a new backup QB. We showed interest in Fitz last offseason, but he chose to sign with Tennessee, as he had a shot to start there. There's a chance that we could address the backup QB spot with a mid-round pick, but I'm starting to think it's more likely that we sign a vet backup and draft a QB late to develop on the PS. You could substitute Jason Campebell's name here, as I could see him signing because of his connection with Hue.

- Robert Ayers (2-3 year deal)

With Ayers visiting today, I could see the team looking to add a run stopping DE/DT type of player to compete with the aging Robert Geathers for that role in camp. Another player on the market who could fit that role is Corey Wooten.

- Uche Nwaneri (2-3 year deal)

With the visits of Nwaneri, Ducasse, and Newhouse, it seems them team is looking to FA for depth on the OL. I expect an OG to be signed to take over Pollak's (who looks to be the probable starter at C) role as the main backup, and to be a guy who can step in for Boling if he has a setback and isn't ready for the start of the regular season. Another guy to look at is Travelle Wharton, who was previously with the team before being cut due to injury.


NFL Draft
**NOTE** I will not be doing UDFA's. Also, I have seen us projected a 6th and two 7th's as comp picks, so I'll go with it.

Round 1: Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

A player with his stock on the rise after a good Combine performance, Fuller would be a very solid addition to our secondary. A very talented corner with plus coverage ability, ball skills, and tackling, he also has the ability to be a special teams contributor. His two big knocks were speed and durability. He answered the speed questions by running in the 4.4's at the Combine, and though some might consider this a slight reach, it's not worth trading down and risking San Diego taking him at 25. Fuller has the potential to be a very good #1 corner, and would make for a nice pairing with Dre K in the future.

Round 2: Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina

Here's your MJ replacement. Martin has all the talent in the world, just needs to be more consistent with showing it. Very lengthy, and has the potential to develop into a pass rushing nightmare, putting up 11.5 sacks his senior season. With that being said, he's a better run-stopper than pass rusher. He should heavily benefit from the DL rotation here, and could make an impact as early as his rookie year.

Round 3: Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee

A solid run blocker and pass protector who needs some work on his technique, Ja'Wuan James was a very good OT in the best conference in college football. Somewhat of a sleeper as he was outshined by Antonio Richardson at Tennessee, James has the ability to develop into a quality LT if given time. James steps into AC's role as the swing tackle while developing to take over for Big Whit in a couple of seasons.

Round 4: Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon St

A team captain and leader of the Oregon St defense, Reynolds is solid in every type of coverage. Very good tackler, and has the ability to play boundary corner, though is better off as a nickel corner, which is great for us. Considered a "jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none" by some, there is one aspect that stands out about Reynolds game, the ability to create turnovers. Reynolds had 6 picks and 2 forced fumbles his senior season. Being a team that runs a lot of nickel, Reynolds would go along great with Fuller and Dre K in the future.

Round 5: Tyler Larsen, C, Utah St

With the release of Kyle Cook, I expect a C to be brought in somewhere in the mid to late rounds to compete for the job. Larsen is a pretty solid value at this point, and should be someone we look to develop behind Mike Pollak. Has plus mobility and is very strong. His biggest strength is his run-blocking ability, which will definitely be welcomed by Hue. Effective at driving DTs back in short yardage situations, and has proven to be durable, starting the final 51 games of his career at Utah St.

Round 6: De'Anthony Thomas, WR/RB/RS, Oregon

A dangerous speedster who is a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball, Thomas can be lined up in the slot and in the backfield, replacing (and potentially upgrading) Hawk in the gadget role. Joe Reedy (who says he will still cover the Bengals at times) tweeted a while ago that even though Tate was re-signed, the team is expected to draft a return man in the later rounds. We have shown interest in Thomas, and he should be able to provide an impact (even if just a handful of times a game) right away.

Round 6 (Comp): J.C. Copeland, FB, LSU

Wrecking ball of a run blocker for Hue's new run-oriented offense. Copeland has also shown some ability to carry the ball in short yardage situation and as a receiver out of the backfield.

Round 7: Avery Williamson, LB, Kentucky

Talented tackler who looks to wrap up. Pretty solid in coverage. Should be a solid contributor as a backup LB, with slight potential as an eventual starter. Very alert as a defender, and possesses the coveted "always around the ball" ability. I see his ceiling as a solid guy to rotate in, that could start a few games if an injury occurs. Can't ask for much more than that from a 7th rounder.

Round 7 (Comp 1): Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (FL)

Plus athlete and tremendous arm strength. Not very accurate and lacks ability as a decision maker. Morris has flashed at times, and is worth a late round flier to see if he can be developed into a quality backup on the PS.

Round 7 (Comp 2): Damien Williams, RB, Oklahoma

Not much tread on the tires with only 114 carries last season. However, Williams averaged 4.9 yards per carry and scored 7 times. Shows patients as a runner while setting up blocks, and has a nice combination of size, speed, power, and agility. Hs shown ability as a receiver out of the backfield. Coming off of a solid Combine performance, Williams looks to be a good sleeper pick with some potential as a ball carrier in the NFL.


53 Man Roster

QB: Andy Dalton, Ryan Fitzpatrick

RB: Gio Bernard, BJGE, Ced Peerman, Rex Burkhead

FB: J.C. Copeland

WR: AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mo Sanu, Dane Sanzenbacher, De'Anthony Thomas, Cobi Hamilton

TE: Jermaine Gresham, Tyler Eifert, Orson Charles

OT: Andrew Whitworth, Andre Smith, Ja'Wuan James

OG: Kevin Zeitler, Clint Boling, Uche Nwaneri, Tanner Hawkinson

C: Mike Pollak, Tyler Larsen

DE: Carlos Dunlap, Kareem Martin, Wallace Gilberry, Margus Hunt, Robert Ayers

DT: Geno Atkins, Domata Peko, Brandon Thompson, Devon Still

SAM: Rey Maualuga, Sean Porter

MIKE: Vinny Rey, Avery Williamson

WILL: Vontaze Burfict, Emmanuel LaMur

CB: Leon Hall, Terence Newman, Kyle Fuller, Adam Jones, Dre Kirkpatrick, Rashaad Reynolds

S: Reggie Nelson, George Iloka, Shawn Williams, Taylor Mays

K: Mike Nugent

P: Kevin Huber

LS: Clark Harris


Practice Squad

- Bruce Taylor

- Chris Lewis-Harris

- Onterio McCalebb

- TJ Johnson

- Larry Black

- Stephen Morris

- Damien Williams

- UDFA WR
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id be very happy with this FA and draft. If it were up to me, we'd swap out the 2nd CB in the 4th round for a Murray or Mettenburger type QB.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting off-season mock. I have mixed feelings about it.

- I'm not sure how interested the Bengals are in bringing a veteran QB in. If bringing in a veteran is a priority, you could do worse than Fitzpatrick. I'd much rather see the Bengals just go into the season with Dalton and a 2nd-4th round pick at QB however.

- Ayers would be a solid addition.

- Nwaneri would be a decent addition assuming we're only bringing him in to be a backup.

- Not a fan of Fuller in the 1st, and believe me, I like him and have seen plenty of him. I disagree completely that he has the upside of being a #1 corner. His biggest limitation is that he isn't very strong at all which will limit him in man coverage. He's been known to give up separation when asked to jam at the line. I think he projects to be more of a decent #2; he's solid, but I don't like the idea of using a 1st rounder on a guy who I don't think will ever be a shutdown corner. He's a better fit for a team that utilizes a lot of zone coverage.

- I like Martin as a 2nd rounder, though I'm not sure of the need for him if we already have Dunlap, Gilberry, Ayers, Hunt, and possibly Geathers.

- James is good value in the 3rd but who are we going to start at LG? Boling? Pollack? Nwaneri? I would have liked to have seen a OG targeted by this point.

- I don't understand the point of taking a CB in the 4th if we already did in the 1st. Hall, Newman, Jones, Kirkpatrick, and Fuller. We don't typically have more than five corners on the active roster.

- Thomas would be outstanding value in the 6th; I think he goes higher.

- Copeland would be a very solid addition in the 6th round.

- Morris stinks, though for a 7th rounder it isn't bad value. I would have much rather seen a QB targeted higher; I think it's a necessity we draft someone in the 2nd-4th round.

- All in all, not a bad mock. Not thrilled with it, but I don't hate it either. I've seen much worse!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokie wrote:
- Not a fan of Fuller in the 1st, and believe me, I like him and have seen plenty of him. I disagree completely that he has the upside of being a #1 corner. His biggest limitation is that he isn't very strong at all which will limit him in man coverage. He's been known to give up separation when asked to jam at the line. I think he projects to be more of a decent #2; he's solid, but I don't like the idea of using a 1st rounder on a guy who I don't think will ever be a shutdown corner. He's a better fit for a team that utilizes a lot of zone coverage.


Interesting comments on Fuller. I'll have to go back and re-watch some tape on him and look for the things you mentioned.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Mock Offseason 4.0 Reply with quote

DatDudeKB3 wrote:
Keep in mind that I try to predict what we will do, and keep it as realistic as possible.

Free Agency
**NOTE** I will only be listing guys who make the 53 man roster.

- Ryan Fitzpatrick (1-2 year deal)
- Robert Ayers (2-3 year deal)
- Uche Nwaneri (2-3 year deal)

NFL Draft
**NOTE** I will not be doing UDFA's. Also, I have seen us projected a 6th and two 7th's as comp picks, so I'll go with it.

Round 1: Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
Round 2: Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina
Round 3: Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee
Round 4: Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon St
Round 5: Tyler Larsen, C, Utah St
Round 6: De'Anthony Thomas, WR/RB/RS, Oregon
Round 6 (Comp): J.C. Copeland, FB, LSU
Round 7: Avery Williamson, LB, Kentucky
Round 7 (Comp 1): Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (FL)
Round 7 (Comp 2): Damien Williams, RB, Oklahoma


Glad someone else likes JC Copeland. Better buckle-up, cos that kid is gonna knock some people over.

Can't wait to see that guy doin' some 'Oklahoma drill'........
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DatDudeKB3 wrote:
Hokie wrote:
- Not a fan of Fuller in the 1st, and believe me, I like him and have seen plenty of him. I disagree completely that he has the upside of being a #1 corner. His biggest limitation is that he isn't very strong at all which will limit him in man coverage. He's been known to give up separation when asked to jam at the line. I think he projects to be more of a decent #2; he's solid, but I don't like the idea of using a 1st rounder on a guy who I don't think will ever be a shutdown corner. He's a better fit for a team that utilizes a lot of zone coverage.


Interesting comments on Fuller. I'll have to go back and re-watch some tape on him and look for the things you mentioned.


I'm a Virginia Tech alum (what gave it away?!) and have seen quite a bit of him over the years. He's fundamentally sound, has good (but not great) speed, and is only 21 years old. He's suspectible to double moves though (but a lot of young guys are) and like I said, he could stand to bulk up. I like him as a 2nd round prospect, but could see him going late 1st due to the league becoming more pass-happy, thus putting a premium on CBs.

As a side note, his younger brother Kendall just finished his freshman year in Blacksburg and has significantly higher upside. Barring injury, he's likely a 1st round pick in either the 2016 or 2017 draft. Kyle's older brother Corey is in a practice squad with some team in the NFL, but I'm forgetting who at the moment. Maybe Detroit? The Fuller family has strong NFL bloodlines.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Mock Offseason 4.0 Reply with quote

DatDudeKB3 wrote:
Keep in mind that I try to predict what we will do, and keep it as realistic as possible.

Free Agency
**NOTE** I will only be listing guys who make the 53 man roster.

- Ryan Fitzpatrick (1-2 year deal)
- Robert Ayers (2-3 year deal)
- Uche Nwaneri (2-3 year deal)

NFL Draft
**NOTE** I will not be doing UDFA's. Also, I have seen us projected a 6th and two 7th's as comp picks, so I'll go with it.

Round 1: Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
Round 2: Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina
Round 3: Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee
Round 4: Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon St
Round 5: Tyler Larsen, C, Utah St
Round 6: De'Anthony Thomas, WR/RB/RS, Oregon
Round 6 (Comp): J.C. Copeland, FB, LSU
Round 7: Avery Williamson, LB, Kentucky
Round 7 (Comp 1): Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (FL)
Round 7 (Comp 2): Damien Williams, RB, Oklahoma



I like signing Ayers and Nwaneri. Fitzpatrick, not so much, but I could live with it. it seems as though they were trying to develop McElroy for that.

As for the draft, I really like it. As others have said, I'm not sold on Fuller in the first, but it could happen. I love Martin in the second. JKames would be a solid pick in the third, and I could see him going to LG for the short term and RT down the line, but not LT without some work. I think if the team grabs a QB, it will be here in the fourth (Murray, who then gets PUPed or IRed for the year). I don't know much about Larsen, but is he an upgrade over TJ Johnson? I like getting Thomas at this point, but yeah, he probably goes higher. And we still have McCallebb available for that role too. The comp picks will end up on the PS anyway, so I don't really care one way or the other about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokie wrote:
I'm a Virginia Tech alum


No kidding.......LOL
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: Mock Offseason 4.0 Reply with quote

INbengalfan wrote:
.......And we still have McCallebb available for that role too.


I hope Jackson gives McCalebb some opportunities on offence in camp. I don't think he is a DB, he'd be more effective IMO as a speed RB and KR type guy.......
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty realistic in my mind. I am growing on Martin in the 2nd. I personally hope for Martin, the C from USC at some point too.

Good job overall.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokie wrote:
As a side note, his younger brother Kendall just finished his freshman year in Blacksburg and has significantly higher upside. Barring injury, he's likely a 1st round pick in either the 2016 or 2017 draft. Kyle's older brother Corey is in a practice squad with some team in the NFL, but I'm forgetting who at the moment. Maybe Detroit? The Fuller family has strong NFL bloodlines.


I love Kendall Fuller. He's stood out every time I've watched him play. Kids gonna be real good.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question... How would you guys have felt about swapping Fuller and Martin for Dee Ford and maybe a guy like Bashaud Breeland? I almost went that route.

Also, who are some second round corners you guys like?
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DatDudeKB3 wrote:
Question... How would you guys have felt about swapping Fuller and Martin for Dee Ford and maybe a guy like Bashaud Breeland? I almost went that route.

Also, who are some second round corners you guys like?


I do not like Dee Ford and a 2nd round corner. I would prefer what you have.

my preference is Verrett over Fuller personally
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DatDudeKB3 wrote:
Question... How would you guys have felt about swapping Fuller and Martin for Dee Ford and maybe a guy like Bashaud Breeland? I almost went that route.

Also, who are some second round corners you guys like?


If you had asked me a month ago, I probably would have scoffed at the idea. I have been warming up to it in recent weeks, however. Our pass rush took a nosedive after Geno went down last season. Assuming we sign Ayers (who is better against the run and would provide DE depth), I like the idea of taking a SLB/DE hybrid who can get after the QB. Our pass rush is way too dependent on Geno, IMO, and apparently I'm in the extreme minority of Bengal fans who doesn't view CB as such a pressing need as to where we must use a 1st/2nd round pick on one. The only 1st round corners I like are Gilbert and Dennard, and I think they're both gone by 24. I think the rest (including Verrett and Fuller) are reaches at 24, and again, they likely wouldn't see the field much as a rookie.

Ford is an explosive athlete who would provide some edge rush capability that the team currently lacks. I wouldn't mind him at 24 at all, to be honest. If Ayers is signed and Dennard/Gilbert isn't available, I'd likely be targeting a SLB/DE or OT/OG at 24 myself.

There's plenty of 2nd/3rd round corners I like. I think Roby would be great with our 2nd rounder, if available. If not, I also like Breeland, Roberson, and McGill. There's some other guys I like who will likely be available with our 3rd rounder (or beyond) including Purifoy (who will be a steal IMO), Desir, Carrie, D. Johnson, etc.

I'm hoping the Bengals wait until at least the 2nd to draft a CB, personally (unless Denard/Gilbert is available).
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I still don't get the attraction of Dee Ford. Isn't he this year's Dontay Moch?
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