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badgers0821


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have way more pressing needs such as ILB and S, why would we pass up two players in Mosley and Pryor who are not only rated higher but are more of a need. There is nothing you can say that makes sense for us taking Tuitt over those two.

And when we put Rajinback at NT and he axcels at his natural position this year and we sign him long term then what?

Don't take impersonally, it's just a bad pick.

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badgers0821 wrote:
Not a good pick for the Packers. After all our signings this makes no sense. Also with Pryor, Mosley, etc. still on the board this really makes no sense, and Tuitt is a reach at that spot.

Quite frankly this couldn't be much worse of a pick.


What signings Raji and Guion? Both on one year deals?

Tuitt is not a reach there. Just cause he isnt going to make much of an impact is a rookie does not make this a reach.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
MUCH rather have Teddy


Same. Though i'm not going to totally blast this for giving us Bortles. I wouldn't do it, and i hope Dave Caldwell wouldn't either...but i can see where it's coming from, and it's the right position really.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark83 wrote:
ThugCityGrunt wrote:
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Cleveland could draft Bridgewater and instead we take what would be an OLB in the 3-4. We drafted Mingo last year at 6 and signed Paul Kruger to a big deal. That would be a terrible pick.


I think the Browns are targeting a QB outside of their first pick.

Mack the obvious BPA. Teams dont draft for need when it comes to elite prospects. He is going to be a Von Miller like player. You dont pass that up unless there is another elite prospect. (Greg Robinson is also in this mold and a possible pick but we run into the sameproblem since they have Thomas. Also, Pettiness went to Mack's pro day over Robinson's)


Our GM went to Louisvilles pro day and they said he was looking at a projected late round LB almost the entire time. The eagles attended Bridgewaters pro day does that mean that they want him, probably not but they are doing their due diligence. I don't think OLB or defense period will be the pick at 4. That's just me, I know our new coach is a defensive guy but he even said a franchise type QB is priority.


Yes but that does not mean they take a QB at 4. There are teams that dont like TB and I think Cleveland is one of them.

My argument was not the fact that he went to the pro day its that he went to Mack's over Robinson. Mack was literally the only guy worth scouting at his pro day and choosing to see him over Robinson AND other Auburn prospects is pretty telling. Its means they love Mack. They dont have a need there but they think he is going to be special (as most do). If they like a QB later in the 1st or in the 2nd (AJ McCarron and Mettenberger are also options, IMO) they're not gonna take a QB at 4 so why. Take the QBs out of the equation and who is better than Mack there? Nobody and its not even close.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

badgers0821 wrote:
We have way more pressing needs such as ILB and S, why would we pass up two players in Mosley and Pryor who are not only rated higher but are more of a need. There is nothing you can say that makes sense for us taking Tuitt over those two.

And when we put Rajinback at NT and he axcels at his natural position this year and we sign him long term then what?

Don't take impersonally, it's just a bad pick.

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badgers0821 wrote:
Not a good pick for the Packers. After all our signings this makes no sense. Also with Pryor, Mosley, etc. still on the board this really makes no sense, and Tuitt is a reach at that spot.

Quite frankly this couldn't be much worse of a pick.


What signings Raji and Guion? Both on one year deals?

Tuitt is not a reach there. Just cause he isnt going to make much of an impact is a rookie does not make this a reach.


Since when did TT draft for need?

Besides, Calvin Pryor doesnt really fit the mold of a GB S. I think they take a guy like Keith McGill in the 2nd and convert him to S.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grunt im not saying Clowney is a bad player as i think he is a pretty nasty guy when he is motivated. My question to you is would you really trade that much to go and get a guy that is mostly a 4-3 DE with very little coverage skills when you run a 3-4 scheme pretty much now. I personally don't see Clowney as a 3-4 olb at his size and don't think his coverage skills are that great to play that position either.

Now to me Khalil Mack suits that position much better and would be a more logical choice if he were to fall to us or even to #4 maybe and we could give up something like #6 and a 3rd to go get him if you are determined to trade up.

Plus if we are giving up our 2nd round pick to move up how do you personally presume we fix FS, TE, and RT as all 3 positions need starters. 1 of those 2 positions have to come from the 2nd round thats a must.

I am more than fine staying at 6 and taking Robinson if he falls to us as it covers one of our top needs in RT and he is an elite talent just like Clowney and Mack are.

Robinson + Dee Ford who is a better fit at 3-4 OLB as well are a much better combo than a 4-3 De like Clowney as we cover 2 of our top 4 needs with MUCH more talent than a guy who doesn't fit the scheme really.


Now if Clowney falls to us at 6 and Mack is gone then sure Clowney has tons of upside and could still add something to the team you would be crazy to pass on him then but to trade up for him with all that working against us i just can't see it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha exactly. TTT would go BPA which would be Mosley and he would just so happen to fill a need...ding ding ding we have a winner!

I'd like to know what you think the "mold" of a packer safety is.


ThugCityGrunt wrote:
badgers0821 wrote:
We have way more pressing needs such as ILB and S, why would we pass up two players in Mosley and Pryor who are not only rated higher but are more of a need. There is nothing you can say that makes sense for us taking Tuitt over those two.

And when we put Rajinback at NT and he axcels at his natural position this year and we sign him long term then what?

Don't take impersonally, it's just a bad pick.

ThugCityGrunt wrote:
badgers0821 wrote:
Not a good pick for the Packers. After all our signings this makes no sense. Also with Pryor, Mosley, etc. still on the board this really makes no sense, and Tuitt is a reach at that spot.

Quite frankly this couldn't be much worse of a pick.


What signings Raji and Guion? Both on one year deals?

Tuitt is not a reach there. Just cause he isnt going to make much of an impact is a rookie does not make this a reach.


Since when did TT draft for need?

Besides, Calvin Pryor doesnt really fit the mold of a GB S. I think they take a guy like Keith McGill in the 2nd and convert him to S.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Patriots just signed Revis and Browner. CB is probably the most stacked position for NE. Terrible 1st round pick. NE needs DT, TE, OL, LB, DE


Revis is only on a 1 year deal but I forgot about Browner. Revis is like to re-sign too. I'll change that pick.


Browner is on a 3 year deal with only 1m gtd, so it's in their interest to keep him all 3 years unless he tanks.

Revis signed a 2 year deal, but next year's cap hit is something stupid like 25m. That almost guarantees they extend him long term this season.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id like that trade back for Detroit, although I wouldnt mind if we stood pat and took Barr.

Would be curious to see what we did with the 2 2nd rounders.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThugCityGrunt wrote:
mark83 wrote:
ThugCityGrunt wrote:
mark83 wrote:
Cleveland could draft Bridgewater and instead we take what would be an OLB in the 3-4. We drafted Mingo last year at 6 and signed Paul Kruger to a big deal. That would be a terrible pick.


I think the Browns are targeting a QB outside of their first pick.

Mack the obvious BPA. Teams dont draft for need when it comes to elite prospects. He is going to be a Von Miller like player. You dont pass that up unless there is another elite prospect. (Greg Robinson is also in this mold and a possible pick but we run into the sameproblem since they have Thomas. Also, Pettiness went to Mack's pro day over Robinson's)


Our GM went to Louisvilles pro day and they said he was looking at a projected late round LB almost the entire time. The eagles attended Bridgewaters pro day does that mean that they want him, probably not but they are doing their due diligence. I don't think OLB or defense period will be the pick at 4. That's just me, I know our new coach is a defensive guy but he even said a franchise type QB is priority.


Yes but that does not mean they take a QB at 4. There are teams that dont like TB and I think Cleveland is one of them.

My argument was not the fact that he went to the pro day its that he went to Mack's over Robinson. Mack was literally the only guy worth scouting at his pro day and choosing to see him over Robinson AND other Auburn prospects is pretty telling. Its means they love Mack. They dont have a need there but they think he is going to be special (as most do). If they like a QB later in the 1st or in the 2nd (AJ McCarron and Mettenberger are also options, IMO) they're not gonna take a QB at 4 so why. Take the QBs out of the equation and who is better than Mack there? Nobody and its not even close.


I see what you are saying I truly do but like you said with Robinson not being the pick because we have Joe Thomas. We already have 3 OLBs and two of them are being paid good money and the other one was our starting OLB. I don't see Cleveland going defense at 4. At Mack's pro day there was representation from all 32 teams. He is a freak no doubt about it, I just do t think unless we trade a player he should be the pick. A lot of people are comparing or was comparing Mingo to Aldon Smith.
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Terrible move for the jets. They need cb but giving up there second rounder and investing yet another first and second round pick on defense will only hurt the team more as offense is the weak spot. They simply can afford to wait till round three to address the lack of talent on offense.
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derekstanggt wrote:
ThugCityGrunt wrote:
derekstanggt wrote:
Patriots just signed Revis and Browner. CB is probably the most stacked position for NE. Terrible 1st round pick. NE needs DT, TE, OL, LB, DE


Revis is only on a 1 year deal but I forgot about Browner. Revis is like to re-sign too. I'll change that pick.


Browner is on a 3 year deal with only 1m gtd, so it's in their interest to keep him all 3 years unless he tanks.

Revis signed a 2 year deal, but next year's cap hit is something stupid like 25m. That almost guarantees they extend him long term this season.


Revis will only sign long term if the pats will pay the 16 per season That 20 million second year is to prevent any sort of franchise tag and the inflate the total of his contract to 16 per year.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FalconFan13 wrote:
Grunt im not saying Clowney is a bad player as i think he is a pretty nasty guy when he is motivated. My question to you is would you really trade that much to go and get a guy that is mostly a 4-3 DE with very little coverage skills when you run a 3-4 scheme pretty much now. I personally don't see Clowney as a 3-4 olb at his size and don't think his coverage skills are that great to play that position either.

Now to me Khalil Mack suits that position much better and would be a more logical choice if he were to fall to us or even to #4 maybe and we could give up something like #6 and a 3rd to go get him if you are determined to trade up.

Plus if we are giving up our 2nd round pick to move up how do you personally presume we fix FS, TE, and RT as all 3 positions need starters. 1 of those 2 positions have to come from the 2nd round thats a must.

I am more than fine staying at 6 and taking Robinson if he falls to us as it covers one of our top needs in RT and he is an elite talent just like Clowney and Mack are.

Robinson + Dee Ford who is a better fit at 3-4 OLB as well are a much better combo than a 4-3 De like Clowney as we cover 2 of our top 4 needs with MUCH more talent than a guy who doesn't fit the scheme really.


Now if Clowney falls to us at 6 and Mack is gone then sure Clowney has tons of upside and could still add something to the team you would be crazy to pass on him then but to trade up for him with all that working against us i just can't see it.


Im not at all familiar with Atlanta's defensive scheme, I assumed they were running the same vanilla 43 they had been for the past 5 years. I still think they trade up for one of the pass rushers, it'll be Mack in my next one. Since it only costs a 2nd rounder in this draft and Mike Tice is the coach (taking a couple guys in the 3rd-5th rounds could be just as beneficial as a guy like Matthews).

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Wouldn't be shocked if the eagles took manziel as bpa if he falls to us.


I would be floored. I dont think even Andy Reid wouldn't do that and he took Kolb



The eagles draft BPA, I would say Manziel is probably higher on most boards than calvin pryor.
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Doubt they go Ealy there...Zack Martin would be the perfect RG on Dallas' line
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