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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:02 pm    Post subject: Dolphins sign OG Shelly Smith Reply with quote

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Guard Shelley Smith, formerly of the Rams, agrees with Dolphins. 2 years, $5.5m. More Miami OL reinforcements.


Good value signing IMO. Shows he can do well in the run game and we need a guy like him who can get to the 2nd level and make a block.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent signing nice job hickey, young ascending player scheme fit and need.
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Don't know a lot about this dude. But wasn't he a backup in a bad STL o-line?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good come in and compete for a starting job signing. Cheap enough that it doesn't preclude us from drafting a starter over him. I like it.
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feel better about getting warm bodies in on this line. @ckparrot thinks hes better suited to LG than where STL played him but I fear we wont see that happen as we cant fesibly start two rookies on the right side of the line?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fishfan4life wrote:
Excellent signing nice job hickey, young ascending player scheme fit and need.


I agree it was a great signing. Maybe my favorite thus far from a value stand point. He represents a clear upgrade to what we have.

Is he a scheme fit, though? I believe STL was a man blocking system, and now hes going to be in a ZBS. Personally, I think more is made of these kinds of shifts, because I think they can be made, they just take a half a season or so to get a feel for such a change. Either way, I am pleased to him on board in Miami.

On a related note, whats with Miami and Stl? We lose Jeff Fisher and Jake Long to them, then we take Brandon Gibson, Cortland Finnegan and Shelley Smith. Too bad we don't play them more often, we seem to have the makings of a rivalry.
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Mercury22 wrote:
fishfan4life wrote:
Excellent signing nice job hickey, young ascending player scheme fit and need.


I agree it was a great signing. Maybe my favorite thus far from a value stand point. He represents a clear upgrade to what we have.

Is he a scheme fit, though? I believe STL was a man blocking system, and now hes going to be in a ZBS. Personally, I think more is made of these kinds of shifts, because I think they can be made, they just take a half a season or so to get a feel for such a change. Either way, I am pleased to him on board in Miami.

On a related note, whats with Miami and Stl? We lose Jeff Fisher and Jake Long to them, then we take Brandon Gibson, Cortland Finnegan and Shelley Smith. Too bad we don't play them more often, we seem to have the makings of a rivalry.


He was drafted by Houston to play in a ZBS. He is definitely athletic enough. Had some injuries early on, but has been healthy for a couple of years now in St Louis.
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Mercury22 wrote:
fishfan4life wrote:
Excellent signing nice job hickey, young ascending player scheme fit and need.


I agree it was a great signing. Maybe my favorite thus far from a value stand point. He represents a clear upgrade to what we have.

Is he a scheme fit, though? I believe STL was a man blocking system, and now hes going to be in a ZBS. Personally, I think more is made of these kinds of shifts, because I think they can be made, they just take a half a season or so to get a feel for such a change. Either way, I am pleased to him on board in Miami.

On a related note, whats with Miami and Stl? We lose Jeff Fisher and Jake Long to them, then we take Brandon Gibson, Cortland Finnegan and Shelley Smith. Too bad we don't play them more often, we seem to have the makings of a rivalry.


He was drafted by Houston to play in a ZBS. He is definitely athletic enough. Had some injuries early on, but has been healthy for a couple of years now in St Louis.


Right. Of course. Makes sense, and we'll see if he still has the athleticism to play in ZBS. Fingers crossed, but I love the size of the deal. He's a likely starter for a more than fair contract for us. Fat Albert, Pouncey and a man named Shelley. Solid three, and I'd love to see one more added in FA and some options in the draft and I'll feel much better about the unit as a whole than last year. Nice work, Hickey!
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Mercury22 wrote:
fishfan4life wrote:
Excellent signing nice job hickey, young ascending player scheme fit and need.


I agree it was a great signing. Maybe my favorite thus far from a value stand point. He represents a clear upgrade to what we have.

Is he a scheme fit, though? I believe STL was a man blocking system, and now hes going to be in a ZBS. Personally, I think more is made of these kinds of shifts, because I think they can be made, they just take a half a season or so to get a feel for such a change. Either way, I am pleased to him on board in Miami.

On a related note, whats with Miami and Stl? We lose Jeff Fisher and Jake Long to them, then we take Brandon Gibson, Cortland Finnegan and Shelley Smith. Too bad we don't play them more often, we seem to have the makings of a rivalry.


His athleticism and footwork is why he was rated by PFF as the fourth best run blocking guard in spite of playing only 371 snaps,. He's pretty much the prototypical fit for a ZBS. The question is if he can improve on his pass blocking, whether it's by personal development or by scheme.

The exciting thing about this move is that he potentially adds a new dimension to our offense. It can hardly be understated how our guards' athletic limitations restricted our offensive options last year. Miami was near the bottom of the league in yards on screens, and we all are familiar with the low rate of success on stretch plays. Some of this was due to play calling, but a lot was due to the fact that our guards were mediocre and terrible at pulling. Having somebody on our line not named Mike Pouncey with an aptitude for it opens up a lot of possibilities.
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Warpticon wrote:
Mercury22 wrote:
fishfan4life wrote:
Excellent signing nice job hickey, young ascending player scheme fit and need.


I agree it was a great signing. Maybe my favorite thus far from a value stand point. He represents a clear upgrade to what we have.

Is he a scheme fit, though? I believe STL was a man blocking system, and now hes going to be in a ZBS. Personally, I think more is made of these kinds of shifts, because I think they can be made, they just take a half a season or so to get a feel for such a change. Either way, I am pleased to him on board in Miami.

On a related note, whats with Miami and Stl? We lose Jeff Fisher and Jake Long to them, then we take Brandon Gibson, Cortland Finnegan and Shelley Smith. Too bad we don't play them more often, we seem to have the makings of a rivalry.


His athleticism and footwork is why he was rated by PFF as the fourth best run blocking guard in spite of playing only 371 snaps,. He's pretty much the prototypical fit for a ZBS. The question is if he can improve on his pass blocking, whether it's by personal development or by scheme.

The exciting thing about this move is that he potentially adds a new dimension to our offense. It can hardly be understated how our guards' athletic limitations restricted our offensive options last year. Miami was near the bottom of the league in yards on screens, and we all are familiar with the low rate of success on stretch plays. Some of this was due to play calling, but a lot was due to the fact that our guards were mediocre and terrible at pulling. Having somebody on our line not named Mike Pouncey with an aptitude for it opens up a lot of possibilities.


Well said. I was discouraged at how much the run game appeared to be abandoned last year. Hard to know if that was a result of Sherman, Philbin or a result of the personnel limitations we had along the line. Either way, Shelley's signing seems to me to signal an acknowledgement that we need to make a better effort at running the ball and that is exceptional news, IMHO.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a Rams fan chiming in, PFF's ranking of his run blocking with the Rams is an inaccurate one. Smith was decent depth but didn't look that good when asked to start.

That all said, we use a PBS that employs a lot of drive blocking and that's not his forte. He's not powerful enough at the point to get much push in the run game. He blocks well on the move so I think he's a much better fit in yall's ZBS.

Could end up being a solid player for you...although he's going to struggle with stronger DTs...especially as a pass protector. He doesn't anchor that well. That all said, I think he's a better player in the ZBS than Chris Williams in any scheme so you guys got him at a discount when comparing it to what Buffalo paid.
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Good pick up, we cant sign All Stars all the time. Should help out and provide depth.
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Dolphinemidget wrote:
Good pick up, we cant sign All Stars all the time. Should help out and provide depth.
We said the same thing about Lance Louis last year. Hopefully this kid contributes.
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carlos2104 wrote:
Dolphinemidget wrote:
Good pick up, we cant sign All Stars all the time. Should help out and provide depth.
We said the same thing about Lance Louis last year. Hopefully this kid contributes.


What the hell ever happened to that guy?
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ovaw8lover wrote:
carlos2104 wrote:
Dolphinemidget wrote:
Good pick up, we cant sign All Stars all the time. Should help out and provide depth.
We said the same thing about Lance Louis last year. Hopefully this kid contributes.


What the hell ever happened to that guy?


I remember hearing that he wasn't 100% healthy, and kept getting hurt during practice. Kind of like Patterson.
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