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What should the cardinals do?
Draft Mettenberger in the third round
9%
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Draft Garoppolo in the third round
9%
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Draft another QB late In the 2014 draft
9%
 9%  [ 1 ]
Trade up for one of the top 3 QB's in the 2014 draft
0%
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Draft a QB in 2015
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Let Ryan Lindley be our future starter
9%
 9%  [ 1 ]
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JLW


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd really like to hear your explanation for how arm strength in terms of throwing a football is different than the speed you throw a football at.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JLW wrote:
I'd really like to hear your explanation for how arm strength in terms of throwing a football is different than the speed you throw a football at.


Speed is how hard you throw the ball, arm strength is how far you can throw the ball. Glennon can throw the ball FAR
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you want to explain to me how you can manage to throw a ball further without throwing it faster?

And if your answer is trajectory, a 45 degree launch angle is optimal and I can guarantee you that other QBs can throw it at that same angle.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JLW wrote:
So you want to explain to me how you can manage to throw a ball further without throwing it faster?

And if your answer is trajectory, a 45 degree launch angle is optimal and I can guarantee you that other QBs can throw it at that same angle.


That's fair. If it helps at all, I favor production and the accuracy of the pass over the ball speed, last year I liked what I saw from Glennon, pretty simple actually.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glennon would be interesting if we didn't already have Stanton as our number 2, no point trading for him to be number 3, Waste of a pick
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJ_Fka wrote:
Glennon would be interesting if we didn't already have Stanton as our number 2, no point trading for him to be number 3, Waste of a pick


I'd agree with that. Just saying that I like him as a player
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In other news, Teddy B had what some considered an "average" pro day. Hopefully Increases the chances of him falling out of the top 8 and then making it to 20.

Really curious who our front office considers to be "franchise" QBs.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be pretty amazing if all the QB-needy teams above us are stupid enough to drop him because of a pro day. Teddy falling into our lap would make this the perfect offseason, almost regardless of how the rest of the draft goes. Highly doubt it actually makes a difference in where he ends up going, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long odds that he makes it to 20

Bortles is top 5 for sure

Johnny is well, anywhere from 1 to 32

Carr is going first round somewhere without doubt

Teddy I assume wouldnt get past Minny at 8 worst case, but if he falls past that, someone else will trade up to get him before we pick.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah. I can see Bortles being there for us at 20 though. That's much more realistic than Teddy in my opinion. I've felt like he was a mid-late first rounder since during the season and I haven't really changed my opinion. His hype train in the media has gotten a bit out of control, and most of the projections of him going so high are based on people thinking O'Brien likes him. I can see him going top 5 for sure, but I think if anyone has a draft day "tumble" to us, it'd be him.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No chance in hell Bortles is there at 20. And if he is a miracle has occured,and we have a franchize QB
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think Teddy has a better chance of falling than Bortles does? I'd disagree with that pretty heavily. Everyone seems to be assuming that 3-4 QBs are going top 10 and I really don't think the odds are too good that that happens.

If I had to estimate the chances the QBs in this draft make it to 20, I'd say:

Bridgewater - <5%
Bortles - 15-20%
Carr - 40-50%
Manziel - 60-75%
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My odds:

Teddy at 20: 0-1%
Bortles at 20: 0-2%
Carr at 20: 50%
Manziel at 20: 50%
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you that high on Bortles personally or are you just buying teams' interest in him being that high?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bortles doesnt fall past 8

He is better than the QBs currently on rosters for following teams:

Tex
Jax
Cle
TB
Oak
Minny

I would also argue that he is better than Bradford in STL who is always injured and costs way too much, so really 7 out of first 8 could use him.

His tape is impressive, he is poster child for QB, he is however no Luck or even Griffin, but he is going to go high as people reach for QBs.
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