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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Who knows, last year it was laughable to think we would have traded up for Reid. But no way in hell does Dallas trade with us again Laughing .



I didn't think it was laughable for some team to pick Reid at that spot. The trade itself "seemed" questionable, but the cowboys wanted Frederick and got a third rounder on top of it. I'm not overly critical of them, I think it was a defendable trade. It would have been laughable if they had stayed there and taken Frederick, though. So they got their player and a pick. Kudos to them. And kudos to us for answering the phone.

But yeah, they probably won't make that trade again this year, which makes n2te's proposal a little silly. But that comes with being a draft guru. n2te's the man.


Actually opposite for me. I loved the trade, because I believe we got a lot of vale for it, but was very meh on the pick.



Sure, the "value" of the trade heavily favors us, in the traditional value chart sense. In that sense, it was a no brainer for us to take the deal. Probably more of a brainer for the cowboys, but they got plenty of value out of that trade. They got the player they wanted AND a third rounder, so in that sense, it's a win for them as well. Could they have gotten more value? Sure, in a perfect world, they could have gotten "value chart" value for the pick, or could probably have gotten more from a needier team. But they had probably placed a limit as to how low they were willing to trade down, and worked within those parameters. So, within those parameters, they made a good trade, value chart be dammed.

Honestly, the draft pick value chart is the most overrated thing ever. People still act as if it's 1990, and those values were etched in stone and immutable. The values of each pick are fluid and change from team to team, and depend on the context. The value of the 17th pick last year was much lesser to the cowboys, probably because the prospects they wanted at 17 were gone, and the following guys on their board could be had much later. Any additional value they could get for that pick was a bonus, and they got what they wanted. And #31 was perfect for them.

Meh, I'm just rambling...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was still a terrible trade for the Cowboys anyways you look at it. We traded down a few spots in the 2nd round and picked up an additional 3rd round pick the following year. Now, is that worth the same as getting a 3rd round pick in the same year? Of course not, but we jumped up 13 slots in the first round and barely lost a 3rd round pick. That was highway robbery and this year they will be more careful making trades.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was still a terrible trade for the Cowboys anyways you look at it. We traded down a few spots in the 2nd round and picked up an additional 3rd round pick the following year. Now, is that worth the same as getting a 3rd round pick in the same year? Of course not, but we jumped up 13 slots in the first round and barely lost a 3rd round pick. That was highway robbery and this year they will be more careful making trades.



What if the Cowboys were still gonna take Frederick if they had stayed put? From their perspective, this would be a great deal, no? They get a third rounder and get to pay Frederick less.
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It is not about them just taking Frederick, they could have gotten more out the trade. It was clear 49ers were going to make sure they got their guy, and the Cowboys should have stood their ground and asked for more. Bad trade is a bad trade.
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rudyZ wrote:
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It was still a terrible trade for the Cowboys anyways you look at it. We traded down a few spots in the 2nd round and picked up an additional 3rd round pick the following year. Now, is that worth the same as getting a 3rd round pick in the same year? Of course not, but we jumped up 13 slots in the first round and barely lost a 3rd round pick. That was highway robbery and this year they will be more careful making trades.



What if the Cowboys were still gonna take Frederick if they had stayed put? From their perspective, this would be a great deal, no? They get a third rounder and get to pay Frederick less.


Yeah, and Terrance Williams (the guy they got with the 74th pick) looked really good this year too. I'm sure the Cowboys were pretty pleased with how the trade worked out, as are we (obviously).
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It is not about them just taking Frederick, they could have gotten more out the trade. It was clear 49ers were going to make sure they got their guy, and the Cowboys should have stood their ground and asked for more. Bad trade is a bad trade.


They turned one first round pick into 2 starters. Confused How is that a bad trade?
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It is not about them just taking Frederick, they could have gotten more out the trade. It was clear 49ers were going to make sure they got their guy, and the Cowboys should have stood their ground and asked for more. Bad trade is a bad trade.



First point: maybe they didn't want to trade out of the first round for one simple reason: first rounders get five year contracts, second rounders get four years. So, if you draft a C who will be a key piece of your offensive line, you might as well secure him for five years, rather than four. Working with that in mind, they had a limited number of teams to work with. If they had only traded down four or five spots, they wouldn't have gotten a third rounder. So maybe they only had 7-8 teams to deal with. Out of those teams, maybe teams didn't want to trade. Of those willing to trade, maybe they didn't have a better third rounder than we did to offer. Remember, that wasn't our third rounder we traded, but the Panthers'. We may, in fact, have been the very best they could have done, under the circumstances. Maybe it doesn't match your idea of what proper value should be, but the only values that ever mattered is those teams are willing to pay. We were willing to trade that third, and they were willing to switch our firsts. All that matters.
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Kikuchiyo wrote:
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It is not about them just taking Frederick, they could have gotten more out the trade. It was clear 49ers were going to make sure they got their guy, and the Cowboys should have stood their ground and asked for more. Bad trade is a bad trade.


They turned one first round pick into 2 starters. Confused How is that a bad trade?


What they ended up getting is irrelevant. Sure, they lucked out and good a very good WR, but you should be getting more then a 3rd round pick when a team trades up 13 spots in the 1st round. This is like saying if we traded them only a 5th round pick and they ended up getting Sherman. Hindsight would say GREAT trade, but that's not how it works.
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Lol, hey, I try Laughing

Of all these guys, I think they should only keep S Donte Whitner!!! - Whitner, brings the much needed veteran leadership and intimidation factor in the secondary! However, the 9ers need to find someone (via trade, free agency, or draft) ASAP who has better ball skills! I love the Calvin Pryor kid; he is ferocious and seems to have the knack of a making a play on the ball!
I'd love to see the 9ers add Vontae Davis, and or maybe trade for CB, Antonio Cromartie... and still add Bradley Roby via draft... All of a sudden the 9ers weakness (the secondary) becomes the strength of the D#!!!

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***Jim Harbaugh, being at Jimmy Garrapola's pro day meaning he might persuade Trent to use a 4th rounder on the kid???
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Lol, hey, I try Laughing


... and we adore you for it! Cool

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Harbaugh, being at Jimmy Garrapola's pro day meaning he might persuade Trent to use a 4th rounder on the kid???


we would have select him in the 2nd round, me thinks..
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Lol, hey, I try Laughing


... and we adore you for it! Cool

niners2theend wrote:
Harbaugh, being at Jimmy Garrapola's pro day meaning he might persuade Trent to use a 4th rounder on the kid???


we would have select him in the 2nd round, me thinks..



Harbaugh would probably try to persuade every other team to let us take him in the 4th round... duh!
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rudyZ wrote:
oldman9er wrote:
niners2theend wrote:
Lol, hey, I try Laughing


... and we adore you for it! Cool

niners2theend wrote:
Harbaugh, being at Jimmy Garrapola's pro day meaning he might persuade Trent to use a 4th rounder on the kid???


we would have select him in the 2nd round, me thinks..



Harbaugh would probably try to persuade every other team to let us take him in the 4th round... duh!


Jimmy G drops to rd 4 cuz he don't be from Compton, fool!
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rudyZ wrote:
oldman9er wrote:
niners2theend wrote:
Lol, hey, I try Laughing


... and we adore you for it! Cool

niners2theend wrote:
Harbaugh, being at Jimmy Garrapola's pro day meaning he might persuade Trent to use a 4th rounder on the kid???


we would have select him in the 2nd round, me thinks..



Harbaugh would probably try to persuade every other team to let us take him in the 4th round... duh!


Jimmy G drops to rd 4 cuz he don't be from Compton, fool!



He probably has royal blood, though...
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rudyZ wrote:
oldman9er wrote:
rudyZ wrote:
oldman9er wrote:
niners2theend wrote:
Lol, hey, I try Laughing


... and we adore you for it! Cool

niners2theend wrote:
Harbaugh, being at Jimmy Garrapola's pro day meaning he might persuade Trent to use a 4th rounder on the kid???


we would have select him in the 2nd round, me thinks..



Harbaugh would probably try to persuade every other team to let us take him in the 4th round... duh!


Jimmy G drops to rd 4 cuz he don't be from Compton, fool!



He probably has royal blood, though...


He does look like he could be related to John Stamos
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Interesting to see where Devin Hester will end up... I hope he ends up wearing a 9ers uniform when everything is said and done with...

I'm sorry to say, but LaMichael James is not the answer in the return game!!! That being said, the 9ers definitely need to put pressure on James... Maybe bring back Ted Ginn Jr. or persuade Devin Hester, that the 49ers gives him the best chance at a crack of a Super Bowl ring!!!

One prospect that comes to mind, that the 9ers should highly consider is, RB/WR/return specialist, Dri Archer 5'7'' 173lbs - can't teach 4.26 speed!!!

checkout his video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-3JgIG9hhM

***S Dezmen Southward 6'0'' 211lbs - could be a solid pickup in the 4th round; posted a 4.31-4.38 on his pro day and had a Vince Carter arm in the cookie jar vertical leap, 42''!!!
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