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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LuckyNumber11 wrote:
I remember on that show "How The States Got Their Shapes" the guy said that if Pearl Harbor didn't happen it would've broke in two, California and Jefferson. The state of Jefferson was to be made the same day as Pearl Harbor so it got pushed back. But it really does need to be broken up


Well, now we know that show isn't based in fact.

The Jefferson secession movement was nowhere near a possibility. The mayor of a local town wanted to secede, and some people handed out pamphlets declaring their independence and elected a governor. Mayor died, Pearl Harbor happened a few days later and everybody involved stopped caring and focused on WW2
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Mexico and southern Canada. just split it up like that
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doubt it happens at least to the number of 6, I could see 2 states being formed if it does happen.
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If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.



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And probably the 8th largest debt. Laughing
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DontTazeMeBro wrote:
Without going over the line of what's allowed here, aren't they concerned about breaking up their 50+ electoral votes?


Big reason it won't happen. It would be harder for one side *cough* to maintain all of those votes.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach government and this is perfect for my class to discuss.

Obviously different parts of the state hold different ideologies. What people want in Chico and Eureka are way different then San Francisco or Los Angeles or Fresno.

With that said there are way too many issues to deal with if you divided them. Water issues would be insane as the central valley needs water for farming and Los Angeles needs water because its a desert. Yet both areas get their water from up North and its brought down through the valley and into LA.

Then you have debt being dealt with and that mess. Its just too much. California won't divide anytime soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't pass. It really only benefits Silicon Valley.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It won't pass. It really only benefits Silicon Valley.


I run a program in my area called youth and government, and this was one of the bills that was attempting to get passed.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it definitely is interesting but i see no conceivable way it happens
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McNabbMcFadden wrote:
mission27 wrote:
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If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.



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And probably the 8th largest debt. Laughing


My thought as well
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
McNabbMcFadden wrote:
mission27 wrote:
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If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.



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And probably the 8th largest debt. Laughing


My thought as well


jerry browns a fn beast when it comes to debt reduction/surplus creation
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mistakebytehlak wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:
McNabbMcFadden wrote:
mission27 wrote:
Quote:
If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.



Shocked


And probably the 8th largest debt. Laughing


My thought as well


jerry browns a fn beast when it comes to debt reduction/surplus creation


Actually he is fn good at passing the buck forward to next year using book keeping tricks. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MightyMouse07 wrote:
I teach government and this is perfect for my class to discuss.

Obviously different parts of the state hold different ideologies. What people want in Chico and Eureka are way different then San Francisco or Los Angeles or Fresno.

With that said there are way too many issues to deal with if you divided them. Water issues would be insane as the central valley needs water for farming and Los Angeles needs water because its a desert. Yet both areas get their water from up North and its brought down through the valley and into LA.

Then you have debt being dealt with and that mess. Its just too much. California won't divide anytime soon.


It is not even that simple. People in Eureka and SF and San Luis Obispo want essentially the same thing. People who live in Chico and Bakersfield and Fresno vote the same way. Don't even try to figure out LA and SD. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MightyMouse07 wrote:
I teach government and this is perfect for my class to discuss.

Obviously different parts of the state hold different ideologies. What people want in Chico and Eureka are way different then San Francisco or Los Angeles or Fresno.

With that said there are way too many issues to deal with if you divided them. Water issues would be insane as the central valley needs water for farming and Los Angeles needs water because its a desert. Yet both areas get their water from up North and its brought down through the valley and into LA.

Then you have debt being dealt with and that mess. Its just too much. California won't divide anytime soon.


The water situation really wouldnt be significantly different than what you see throughout the country. how many states rely on the Mississippi River? That starts in Minnesota and there doesnt seem to be issue sharing it. I think in the end, splitting the state might be in the best interests long term. It seems the differences in politics in northern and southern california seem to clash with each other.
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