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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most articles state that it was due to team rules violations.

But.

I think and feel that this kid will come into the NFL with a chip on his shoulder, much like how he played at WKU and light it up.

If we do not retain Riley, I think grabbing this kid in the 5,6 range would be just fine and I think he would actually be a starter by mid season if not before the season started.

I like what I see on the field.


Me too. Which is why I would love for us to grab him in the 5th, 6th or 7th round. I think he has maybe 3rd/4th round ability but is going to slide because of the cloud hanging over him. He's gonna be extremely salty when he gets to the NFL and that's what I want out of our defense. I want guys that will go in and tear people's heads off (figuratively of course).
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Before the season started I'm 99% sure he was projected as a top 10 or 15 player!!!!
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Before the season started I'm 99% sure he was projected as a top 10 or 15 player!!!!


No he wasn't. He was at best a 2nd rounder
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killacam wrote:
Before the season started I'm 99% sure he was projected as a top 10 or 15 player!!!!


No he wasn't. He was at best a 2nd rounder
This, before the season he was a fringe second rounder or third rounder
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BuckleyBoy wrote:
killacam wrote:
Before the season started I'm 99% sure he was projected as a top 10 or 15 player!!!!


No he wasn't. He was at best a 2nd rounder
This, before the season he was a fringe second rounder or third rounder


And to me, the film showed someone who's just a 2 down defender at the NFL.
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turtle28 wrote:
BuckleyBoy wrote:
killacam wrote:
Before the season started I'm 99% sure he was projected as a top 10 or 15 player!!!!


No he wasn't. He was at best a 2nd rounder
This, before the season he was a fringe second rounder or third rounder


And to me, the film showed someone who's just a 2 down defender at the NFL.
Yep. I agree 100
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Dion Bailey/purifoy
I can dig it if they're there in round 3 and 4
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I have been reading some good things about Deonne Bucannon from Washington State at S.

I think that he could develop into something big at FS if we dont draft one.
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mike23md wrote:
I have been reading some good things about Deonne Bucannon from Washington State at S.

I think that he could develop into something big at FS if we dont draft one.


That's my guy right now. I know some people don't like his coverage skills all that much but he did have 6 (I think?) ints this year and showed incredible range (see Stanford endzone INT) and reaction time. He kind of reminds me of LaRon but with better hands. Like Laron, he has great range but not necessarily great coverage skills. They both lay the wood and have great size and speed to play the strong safety position. They both excel at SS but if forced to play FS they can do it, it's just not ideal.
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SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote:
mike23md wrote:
I have been reading some good things about Deonne Bucannon from Washington State at S.

I think that he could develop into something big at FS if we dont draft one.


That's my guy right now. I know some people don't like his coverage skills all that much but he did have 6 (I think?) ints this year and showed incredible range (see Stanford endzone INT) and reaction time. He kind of reminds me of LaRon but with better hands. Like Laron, he has great range but not necessarily great coverage skills. They both lay the wood and have great size and speed to play the strong safety position. They both excel at SS but if forced to play FS they can do it, it's just not ideal.


Why not wait and see what we have in Phillip Thomas before going this route. Many people including myself felt that Phillip Thomas in the 4th round was a huge steal last year. I would rather not tie up a valuable pick before we find out what we have in Phillip Thomas who fits this exact mold of SS that can play FS if needed.
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tyler735 wrote:
SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote:
mike23md wrote:
I have been reading some good things about Deonne Bucannon from Washington State at S.

I think that he could develop into something big at FS if we dont draft one.


That's my guy right now. I know some people don't like his coverage skills all that much but he did have 6 (I think?) ints this year and showed incredible range (see Stanford endzone INT) and reaction time. He kind of reminds me of LaRon but with better hands. Like Laron, he has great range but not necessarily great coverage skills. They both lay the wood and have great size and speed to play the strong safety position. They both excel at SS but if forced to play FS they can do it, it's just not ideal.


Why not wait and see what we have in Phillip Thomas before going this route. Many people including myself felt that Phillip Thomas in the 4th round was a huge steal last year. I would rather not tie up a valuable pick before we find out what we have in Phillip Thomas who fits this exact mold of SS that can play FS if needed.


If he fits the exact mold of SS, he should stay there instead of forcing something where it might not work... Still need a FS.
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tyler735 wrote:
SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote:
mike23md wrote:
I have been reading some good things about Deonne Bucannon from Washington State at S.

I think that he could develop into something big at FS if we dont draft one.


That's my guy right now. I know some people don't like his coverage skills all that much but he did have 6 (I think?) ints this year and showed incredible range (see Stanford endzone INT) and reaction time. He kind of reminds me of LaRon but with better hands. Like Laron, he has great range but not necessarily great coverage skills. They both lay the wood and have great size and speed to play the strong safety position. They both excel at SS but if forced to play FS they can do it, it's just not ideal.


Why not wait and see what we have in Phillip Thomas before going this route. Many people including myself felt that Phillip Thomas in the 4th round was a huge steal last year. I would rather not tie up a valuable pick before we find out what we have in Phillip Thomas who fits this exact mold of SS that can play FS if needed.
I totally agree with you Tyler and there are a lot of Guys in Free Agency who are still available and can be stop gaps at FS - including the guy we had here last year, Brandon Meriweather. I know no one loves him, but he wasn't terrible. If he's brought back though, I'd still like to get someone better in coverage next to him.

This teams lack of coverage from the safety postion has plagued it since Sean died in 2007.
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MikeT14 wrote:
tyler735 wrote:
SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote:
mike23md wrote:
I have been reading some good things about Deonne Bucannon from Washington State at S.

I think that he could develop into something big at FS if we dont draft one.


That's my guy right now. I know some people don't like his coverage skills all that much but he did have 6 (I think?) ints this year and showed incredible range (see Stanford endzone INT) and reaction time. He kind of reminds me of LaRon but with better hands. Like Laron, he has great range but not necessarily great coverage skills. They both lay the wood and have great size and speed to play the strong safety position. They both excel at SS but if forced to play FS they can do it, it's just not ideal.


Why not wait and see what we have in Phillip Thomas before going this route. Many people including myself felt that Phillip Thomas in the 4th round was a huge steal last year. I would rather not tie up a valuable pick before we find out what we have in Phillip Thomas who fits this exact mold of SS that can play FS if needed.


If he fits the exact mold of SS, he should stay there instead of forcing something where it might not work... Still need a FS.
Wait, isn't Bucannon a SS? Mike23md doesn't like his coverage skills...

STAP admits that he's got good range but not good cover skills... Like Laron Landry? Mr I can run fast, kill things, but I can't cover (especially a double move) and I can't wrap up and actually tackle offensive players?

Why would we even consider this Buccannon guy?

Tyler is exactly right. Thomas is the guy we need to see develop at SS and see if he can play some FS, we need to see what Gumbs, Rambo and Robinson have with another offseason in our system and we need to put a good coverage safety with whomever starts at SS. We need to get ourselves a true FS. We need coverage, no more drafting undersized linebackers who can't cover in space.
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Stanley Jean Baptise. He's 6'3 like Sherman played receiver first two years in college and then cb. Plays physical and has good ball skills. Could be picked in the 4th or later

Maybe like this

2nd: Kelvin Benjamin
3rd: telvin smith or Christian jones
4th: Stanley Jean Baptise
5th: DRI Archer or deanthony thomas
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