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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:48 pm    Post subject: Vikings Draft Discussion 4.0 Reply with quote



Please continue the discussing potential draft prospects here.

Remember, this thread is for the discussion and analysis of the prospects themselves. This thread is not for head coaching discussion, or tracking our position as it pertains to draft order.

**If you do discuss anything other than that you will see this post quoted and get a very stern talking too!**

Draft Thread 1.0

Draft Thread 2.0

Draft Thread 3.0

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» Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State
» Nick Addison, DB, Bethune-Cookman
» Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
» George Atkinson, RB, Notre Dame
» Dion Bailey, S, USC
» Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
» Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
» Kapri Bibbs, RB, Colorado State
» Brendan Bigelow, RB, California
» Alfred Blue, RB, LSU
» Russell Bodine, C, North Carolina
» Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida
» Chris Boyd, WR, Vanderbilt
» Carl Bradford, DE, Arizona State
» Bashaud Breeland, DB, Clemson
» Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
» Martavis Bryant, WR, Clemson
» Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona
» Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, DB, Alabama
» Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
» Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers
» Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
» Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State
» Isaiah Crowell, RB, Alabama State
» Jonathan Dowling, S, Western Kentucky
» Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
» Dominique Easley, DT, Florida
» Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
» Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina
» Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
» Ego Ferguson, DT, LSU
» Cameron Fleming, OT, Stanford
» Khairi Fortt, LB, California
» Austin Franklin, WR, New Mexico State
» Devonta Freeman, RB, Florida State
» Carlos Gray, DT, North Carolina State
» Xavier Grimble, TE, USC
» Terrance Hackney, T, Bethune-Cookman
» Vic Hampton, CB, South Carolina
» Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU
» Adrian Hubbard, LB, Alabama
» Kameron Jackson, CB, California
» Nic Jacobs, TE, McNeese State
» Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
» Anthony Johnson, DT, LSU
» Storm Johnson, RB, UCF
» Henry Josey, RB, Missouri
» Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
» Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU
» Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana
» Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise State
» Marqise Lee, WR, USC
» A.C. Leonard, TE, Tennessee State
» Albert Louis-Jean, DB, Boston College
» Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon
» Aaron Lynch, DE, USF
» Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
» Marcus Martin, C, USC
» Tre Mason, RB, Auburn
» Chris McCain, DE, California
» Terrance Mitchell, CB, Oregon
» Viliami Moala, DT, California
» Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss
» Adam Muema, RB, San Diego State
» Jake Murphy, TE, Utah
» Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
» Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame
» Jeoffrey Pagan, DL, Alabama
» Ronald Powell, LB, Florida
» Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville
» Loucheiz Purifoy, CB, Florida
» Kelcy Quarles, DL, South Carolina
» Darrin Reaves, RB, UAB
» Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford
» Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee
» Paul Richardson, WR, Colorado
» Marcus Roberson, CB, Florida
» Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State
» Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
» Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
» Richard Rodgers, TE California
» Bishop Sankey, RB, Washington
» Lache Seastrunk, RB, Baylor
» Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
» Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State
» Yawin Smallwood, LB, UConn
» Brett Smith, QB, Wyoming
» Jerome Smith, RB, Syracuse
» Willie Snead, WR, Ball State
» John Spooney, RB, Brown
» Josh Stewart, WR, Oklahoma State
» Xavier Su'a-Filo, OL, UCLA
» Vinnie Sunseri, DB, Alabama
» De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon
» Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
» Trai Turner, OG, LSU
» George Uko, DL, USC
» Pierre Warren, FS, Jacksonville State
» Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
» Terrance West, RB, Towson
» James Wilder Jr., RB, Florida State
» David Yankey, OL, Stanford


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000314901/article/official-list-of-underclassmen-granted-eligibility-for-2014-nfl-draft

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 8m
Carr isn't just the best QB here. He's the best player here. Absolutely looks the part of franchise QB.
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Klomp wrote:
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 8m
Carr isn't just the best QB here. He's the best player here. Absolutely looks the part of franchise QB.


Hearing good things on twitter about Garoppolo, too.

The one thing about Carr, though, is that he should look good in passing drills. It's when he's forced to make throws against defensive pressure and go through his progressions that he struggles.
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jshowers wrote:
Here is an interesting question, who are the guys that for you are just too good to pass up if they fall on draft day, and where they would have to fall to for us to take them, even though we may have little or no need at the position? We are about to go to thread #4 and I thought this would be an interesting way to start it off

For me, the guy is Mike Evans. I've cooled on the idea of picking him at 8 but if he is sliding out of the top 25 picks I'm doing all I can to go get him. This guy is Norv Turner's dream WR. Only seriously been playing the game for 3-4 years and already one of the most physical WRs out there and has outstanding body control. Strong hands. Better athlete than he gets credit for.

Another guy is Eric Ebron. I've never mocked a TE to the Vikes high in the draft, but if Ebron is perhaps not thought of as an elite prospect among NFL scouts and begins to slide towards the end of round 1, early round 2 I want us to hop on. Extremely versatile weapon that has potential as both an in-line and flex tight end. A really good target for a young QB who can threaten at all 3 levels of the field. Him and Rudolph can co-exist.

So who is it for you?


This won't be a popular one, but if Jason Varrett is there at the end of round 1 I would love to see a trade up for him, I think he's gonna be extremely good. He's probably got the best hips out of anybody in the class, and the way he stays glued to a WR with his hand on their hip is simply top tier, great ball skills and athleticism. If he was Dennards height he'd be top 10 easy.

Another guy who might be impossible for me to pass up in round 2 is Davante Adams, I think he could be special.

Agree with you on Ebron.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone has insentive to prop up QB that perform at the senior bowl.
Scouts, teams, GM, positional coachs, analysis has insentive to say Johney, Bortles are the best QB in the draft. They want everyone to feel they need to workout.

Its just the way it is.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan Hope ‏@Dan_Hope 10m
Though practice is over, Derek Carr still throwing passes to Jordan Matthews, Cody Hoffman and Mike Davis
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
Dan Hope ‏@Dan_Hope 10m
Though practice is over, Derek Carr still throwing passes to Jordan Matthews, Cody Hoffman and Mike Davis

Now he and Matthews are recruiting others.

Love it.
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I am still very interested in Hageman. He is going to bring versatility along the defensive line that I believe Zimmer would love. I honestly believe he could play 1-tech, 3-tech, or even LDE in some situations. He is an absolute freak.
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Senior Bowl source told me Derek Carr outplayed Jimmy Football today and that his passes "cut through the wind" much better.

99.99% positive his "source" is Wobschall.
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Freakout wrote:
I am still very interested in Hageman. He is going to bring versatility along the defensive line that I believe Zimmer would love. I honestly believe he could play 1-tech, 3-tech, or even LDE in some situations. He is an absolute freak.


I agree. I don't think Zimmer is married to the idea of having a true nose tackle. I think Hageman and Floyd could definitely play well alongside each other.
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If Hageman and Floyd teamed up on the interior the responsibilities would affect the rest of the defense. Not saying it's a bad thing, but it is a trickle down affect. You now need one or two true thumper ILBs that can stand up pulling OGs and you need safeties that can handle wider coverage zones. Not opposed, it just makes things a bit harder on the second level of the defense.
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Freakout wrote:
I am still very interested in Hageman. He is going to bring versatility along the defensive line that I believe Zimmer would love. I honestly believe he could play 1-tech, 3-tech, or even LDE in some situations. He is an absolute freak.


Had this feeling for a while, I cooled on him a little when Zimmer was hired. However, after some thought and more evaluation of him, I think he would make a lot of sense. D line is probably our second most important need after QB this offseason and drafting Hageman would give us a stud. I would approve!


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Klomp wrote:
Freakout wrote:
I am still very interested in Hageman. He is going to bring versatility along the defensive line that I believe Zimmer would love. I honestly believe he could play 1-tech, 3-tech, or even LDE in some situations. He is an absolute freak.


I agree. I don't think Zimmer is married to the idea of having a true nose tackle. I think Hageman and Floyd could definitely play well alongside each other.


Doubtful given Zimmers history. He has typically preferred having many big body, classic two gap nose tackles alongside a penetrating UT.

Putting Hageman in a two gap role probably isn't ideal.
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Coaches at the Senior Bowl politely asked Zumwalt to "dial it back" today because he was going too hard. Such an intense player.
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vikingsrule wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Freakout wrote:
I am still very interested in Hageman. He is going to bring versatility along the defensive line that I believe Zimmer would love. I honestly believe he could play 1-tech, 3-tech, or even LDE in some situations. He is an absolute freak.


I agree. I don't think Zimmer is married to the idea of having a true nose tackle. I think Hageman and Floyd could definitely play well alongside each other.


Doubtful given Zimmers history. He has typically preferred having many big body, classic two gap nose tackles alongside a penetrating UT.

Putting Hageman in a two gap role probably isn't ideal.


Zimmer has his NT 2 gap? As far as I knew he runs an even front with 1 gap run fits, never heard that he likes to have his 1 tech 2 gap.
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