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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see you guys selecting a WR, someone like Mathews or possibly Cooks.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the input guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigs, I know you were asking about Utah State cornerback Nevin Lawson. Here is a pretty good scouting report :

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Nevin Lawson has had a ton of playing experience at Utah State. After appearing in 9 games as a freshman, Lawson took a starting corner job for the next 39 games. His senior year was his best by far in terms of causing turnovers and getting to the ball carrier. Lawson was able to help them get to the Mountain West Championship Game and though they lost that game, they went out with a bowl victory over Northern Illinois.
For the NFL, Lawson has a workable skillset because he is such a terrific athlete that excels in pure man coverage. He really does a nice job when it comes to mirroring and finds his way to get to a lot of passes. Lawson does need to get better and more consistent in run defense and do less grabbing on receivers in the NFL. Nevertheless, Lawson projects as a day three prospect for a team in need of a tough corner who can play in the slot.

Vitals & Build
Lawson measured 59 190lbs at the scouting combine with 31 arms. He has a strong build with a good amount of strength particularly in his upper body. Lawson has tremendous hips and overall fluidity as well as feet and body control. His speed is good but he makes it look better because he is so quick and able to correct himself so easily. Lawson can keep getting stronger in his lower body but for the most part, his overall physical potential is somewhat limited.

Tackling
Lawson is a pretty good tackler when he has opportunities. He wraps up pretty consistently and latches on until the ball carrier goes to the ground. Lawson has good functional strength, so he has a decent amount of pop when he can put his body into it and drives his feet. He makes the vast majority of the tackles he has the opportunity to make.

Run Support
Lawson is a willing run defender for the most part and will try to get downhill and get involved in the play. The problem for Lawson is that he tends to too easily shoved out of the play and allows himself to get shielded off too easily. He does not sift through trash all that well and he is not involved in as many plays as he probably should be.
Most of this stems from him not being all that comfortable going at blockers and instead trying to find his way around them. The more confident he gets in that part of his game, the better he will be able to perform overall.

Man Coverage
Lawson is impressive in terms of his ability to stay on defenders, mirror and run with opponents. He is impressive with being able to process information and react quickly. As a result, Lawson has been good when it comes to sticking with opponents and running with them down the field or reacting to quick moves.
Lawson can react well and get involved in a lot of plays. The issue that has been an issue for Lawson is not being sure where the ball is and grabbing the receiver as a result, drawing penalties for pass interference. When he is able to track the ball, he can make a play on it and potentially deflect or intercept it.
The other problem that can present a problem for Lawson is his lack of height. He will do his best to compete for the ball, but he can be simply outsized by people who can go up and get the ball and he is forced to try to rake it out on their way down with the ball.
Lawson has a good amount of skill in man, but just needs to work to eliminate some of the grabbing that could lead to penalties at the next level.

Ball Skills
Lawson has shown he has decent ball skills. He finds his way to a lot of passes and deflects his fair share. Lawson has made some impressive interception but also dropped a few he should have caught. In fairness to Lawson, he is almost always reacting last second to try to catch the ball, which makes it more difficult.

System Fit
Lawson is best served to play in a pure man scheme. His best bet is going to be to make a team as a nickel or dime because of his lack of height and his potentially physical style of play he can bring to that area of the field. While he could certainly end up playing on the outside, his lack of height will always be a problem and always work against him, so he will have to constantly prove he can hold up against bigger receivers.

NFL Comparison
Lawson has a great deal in common with Leon McFadden of the Cleveland Browns. McFadden was a third round pick out of San Diego State and like Lawson, was short and tough. McFadden had injuries that hurt him in his rookie season before being able to get on the field later in the year.

Draft Projection
Nevin Lawson has the athleticism and ability to mirror well enough to be a corner in the NFL. He needs to get better as a run defender and avoid penalties down the field, but he is able to make plays on the football and stick to opponents in man coverage. Lawson warrants a day three pick and could have an early impact on a team in need of a slot corner.

Some of the film used in this scouting breakdown was provided by the good folks at draftbreakdown.com

http://withthefirstpick.com/2014/03/31/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report-nevin-lawson-cb-utah-state/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Trending%20on%20FS

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicfre2011 wrote:
Bigs, I know you were asking about Utah State cornerback Nevin Lawson. Here is a pretty good scouting report :

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Man Coverage
Lawson is impressive in terms of his ability to stay on defenders, mirror and run with opponents. He is impressive with being able to process information and react quickly. As a result, Lawson has been good when it comes to sticking with opponents and running with them down the field or reacting to quick moves.
Lawson can react well and get involved in a lot of plays. The issue that has been an issue for Lawson is not being sure where the ball is and grabbing the receiver as a result, drawing penalties for pass interference. When he is able to track the ball, he can make a play on it and potentially deflect or intercept it.
The other problem that can present a problem for Lawson is his lack of height. He will do his best to compete for the ball, but he can be simply outsized by people who can go up and get the ball and he is forced to try to rake it out on their way down with the ball.
Lawson has a good amount of skill in man, but just needs to work to eliminate some of the grabbing that could lead to penalties at the next level.

System Fit
Lawson is best served to play in a pure man scheme. His best bet is going to be to make a team as a nickel or dime because of his lack of height and his potentially physical style of play he can bring to that area of the field. While he could certainly end up playing on the outside, his lack of height will always be a problem and always work against him, so he will have to constantly prove he can hold up against bigger receivers.

I cut down the report to what I feel is the case for him on our team, if it's like a 5th round pick. He's someone who could be the #4-5 CB and probably play in the slot as a starter down the road, but who's physicality will lend himself to ST's early on in his career.

For me, this is exactly the kind of guy I'd want to see us look for on day 3. Skills to be a day two pick, but one knock (height) preventing him from being that, and at a minimum someone who will contribute on ST's.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are your guys thoughts on Jeremiah Attaochu, the 3-4 olb ? I heard he had an impressive pro day and is at his best when rushing the passer. With Seattle laying the blue print on how to beat the Donkeys I think Jeremiah has a legit chance of being drafted by us. He will have absolutely no pressure coming in and can be used exclusively in sub packages if we so choose. Learning behind Tamba and Houston for a year would only make this young man better; with Tambas work ethic and Houston's skill set + workout regimen....*drool*
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, my biggest issue with Attaochu would be the value of the pick. We have significant holes to fill, and I don't think he'll make it to our third round pick! I understand the pick if he's BPA and we are legitimately focused on that. I simply struggle drafting a first round pick with 2 capable starters at the position (though I agree with what you've said about pass rush and beating the donks).

Personally I like the thought of these guys moving up the boards, as it increases the chances some other folks fall (hoping for one of our popular receiver candidates).
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DT58_lives_on wrote:
Mike, my biggest issue with Attaochu would be the value of the pick. We have significant holes to fill, and I don't think he'll make it to our third round pick! I understand the pick if he's BPA and we are legitimately focused on that. I simply struggle drafting a first round pick with 2 capable starters at the position (though I agree with what you've said about pass rush and beating the donks).

Personally I like the thought of these guys moving up the boards, as it increases the chances some other folks fall (hoping for one of our popular receiver candidates).


One thing us fans continuously get trapped into is thinking we still run our base defense more than our sub package. We won't be in our 3-4 a whole helluva lot vs the Pats, Chargers, Donkeys etc. Having only 2 pass rushers can't get it done in this league anymore. Rotation is key and it has been proven to be successful. If we play Hali and Houston the way we did earlier in the season last year then we are going to get the same results late in the season. The Seahawks have spent higher draft picks on rotational guys (Bruce Irvin) and look at their success. We need to think long term too. So because we MIGHT have a weakness now at guard or safety, we need to spend a draft pick on that position, when we almost know for a fact Hali will be gone next year creating a massive hole to fill at Olb. (Fact). See my point?
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Mike, you can't call it a fact if it hasn't been stated. And I actually agree we need to start making some of these long term moves. I don't however think it's a "might" have a hole. I think it's described more as we "might" have viable options to start. We lost 2 players that started at RG for us, so at minimum we're starting our 3rd stringer from the year before. Honestly though I'd rather take an edge rusher than an OG in the first. My list is pretty conditional, but so you can see my reasoning

1. WR - Without a doubt one of our biggest needs, imagine having a starting WR that actually is consistent catching the ball.

2. FS (totally conditional on Pryor/Ha-Sean being there)

3. DE/OLB - Like a solid all around player, but pass rush is a premium particularly if it's a DE (rather have a well rounded OLB)

4. CB - Yeah, we have starters but as you said, lots of teams keep us in the nickel/sub packages

4b. OG - Yeah, I don't know that anyone stands out in this class really, but it's a need for us.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jordan Matthews is climbing back up my board everyday.

He's a great fit for the Offense, Rice bloodlines and honestly he kinda reminds me of Rice. Doesn't get caught from behind, fantastic route-runner, work ethic is top notch, just broke records at Vandy instead.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutler06 wrote:
I see you guys selecting a WR, someone like Mathews or possibly Cooks.

This guy right here. He never seems to get the respect he's due. He has everything you could want in a WR. Size - 6'3", speed - 4.4 forty, hands - 10+", work ethic - check, college production - check. How is he not a sure fire first rounder? He, Cooks, or OBJ should all be targeted for our first.
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A mid to later round WR prospect I am really starting to like is Kevin Norwood from Alabama. If he is there in round 6 (might go off of the board in round 5) I wouldn't mind him getting serious consideration by the Chiefs. He is a pretty good complimentary receiver who has consistent hands and is a reliable target in the passing game. I see him as a quality developmental possession receiver who has enough physical ability to make an impact after the catch in the open field. I wouldn't be content with just adding Norwood at the position coming out of the draft but if we add an early round WR, I wouldn't mind double dipping with Norwood if we can grab him in round 6 or so.
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I like Matthews, but one of his biggest knocks is that he fails to get separation. We already have a big bodied guy with those issues.

Also for being a big guy he doesn't seem high point the ball as much as I'd like.
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nicfre2011 wrote:
A mid to later round WR prospect I am really starting to like is Kevin Norwood from Alabama. If he is there in round 6 (might go off of the board in round 5) I wouldn't mind him getting serious consideration by the Chiefs. He is a pretty good complimentary receiver who has consistent hands and is a reliable target in the passing game. I see him as a quality developmental possession receiver who has enough physical ability to make an impact after the catch in the open field. I wouldn't be content with just adding Norwood at the position coming out of the draft but if we add an early round WR, I wouldn't mind double dipping with Norwood if we can grab him in round 6 or so.


I'll tell you one thing Nic. If I were a Gm (god help that team) "double dipping" would be happening every draft. Look at Carolina last year. They had a massive hole along their Dline. What did they do? Double dipped in rounds 1-2 if I'm not mistaken. If you have a problem on your roster then why not double down and really make it a point to fix it?
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DT58_lives_on wrote:
I like Matthews, but one of his biggest knocks is that he fails to get separation. We already have a big bodied guy with those issues.

Also for being a big guy he doesn't seem high point the ball as much as I'd like.

Dat work ethic tho....
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The issue with work ethic is that the people talking about work ethic may evaluate how hard someone works by different things. And being Jerry Rice's cousin honestly doesn't mean anything. How many brothers/cousins etc., don't even make it to the show.

Because Carson Palmer was good, that doesn't mean Jordan was a first round pick.

Because Aaron Rodgers is great, that doesn't make Jordan great, and I'm betting these guys have more interaction with their brothers than Rice does with Matthews.

I'm not hating on Matthews, just saying I think there is better game breaker type of receivers that might be available. Now if we'd move back a few spots, and other guys are gone, be all over it, as he is a talented WR with a good upside. Work ethic is great, and something you want in all your players, but as a rookie coming in, you can only count it for so much. Catapano has arguably the most talked about work ethic on our team, but he didn't steal playing time from other DEs on our team.
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