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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:26 pm    Post subject: chili mocks again...going west and double dipping! Reply with quote

It's been years! Had some fun with this one.

A note: I'm not a scout by any stretch of imagination. A lot of this is secondary research and brief watching on the internet.

Retained
-BJ Raji - This is a tough call. But I just don't know if I give up on him that quickly, 2 years removed from a Pro Bowl. There's also the policy that you just don't find guys that big easily.
-Matt Flynn - gets a cheap 1 year deal. Tolzien is the backup of the future
-Sam Shields
-John Kuhn
-EDS
-Andrew Quarless
-Johnny Jolly
-Mike Neal
-MD Jennings
-Jamari Lattimore

Let Go
-Ryan Pickett
-Jermichael Finley - don't think he makes it back from the injury
-James Jones
-Marshall Newhouse
-Seneca Wallace
-James Starks
-CJ Wilson

TO THE DRAFT

Green Bay is awarded a 4th and 7th comp pick for Jennings and Walden

FIRST ROUND - TRADE OUT!

We give this and our 7th this year for a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th this year.
2 reasons for this trade. I don't really see any prospect in the early 20's that I like that much. But I also think it's time to restock a bit - we have a lot of FAs coming up in the next few years and we have a lot of small needs to fill up.

SECOND ROUND (A) - SHAYNE SKOV, ILB, STANFORD

Less than ideal athleticism…extraordinary instincts…I’ll take that trade! As a 3-4 ILB some of his physical flaws will get masked. Intense, downhill linebacker that is smart and coachable. I think he fills the void that was left when Bishop went down. I think he is going to test better than people are expecting.

SECOND ROUND (B) - JARVIS LANDRY, WR, LSU

Okay bring on the flack! Landry just seems like a true Packer WR – strong hands, smooth routes, knows how to pick up the YAC. Lacy was great, but this is still a passing team and we’re 1 Nelson/Cobb injury (and he’s both have a history) away from having a depleted receiving core. It also gives us some leverage/wiggle room with Cobb and Nelson due to be FA’s.

THIRD ROUND (A) - MORGAN BRESLIN, OLB, USC

Breslin could have been a late first if he had come through this season without an injury. In 2012 he tied Will Sutton with 13.0 sacks, 2nd in the conference only behind Anthony Barr and 3rd in the nation. This year we stood him up and told him to be an OLB – he had 4.5 sacks in 5 games – including 2 on Utah State’s dynamic Chuckie Keeton. Breslin brings an incredible motor and is probably the most beastly player to come out of USC since Clay, Cushing, and Maualuga. He’s still learning the position (especially dropping into coverage and holding the POA) but I saw him chase down screens and keep contain on read-options that make me believe he’s very capable. Until he learns that, just bring him in as a pass-rush specialist.

THIRD ROUND (B) - AARON COLVIN, S, OKLAHOMA

Colvin played both corner and safety in college. I put him here with the belief that moving to the next level he is going to slide inside to safety. He seemed to have a tough time with Tavon Austin and Steadman Bailey against WVU as a corner. The general perception on him is he’s a physical corner who is fast, but plays better with the play in front of him, making him a safety candidate. He’s also a 4 year starter and captain, so he fits the “Packer People”

FOURTH ROUND (A) - JORDAN NAJVAR, TE, BAYLOR

Q can hold down the TE spot for now, this is the developmental project down the road though. Everybody is looking for the next athlete to turn into a vertical TE and Najvar could be molded into just that. Najvar is a massive 6’6” making him a RZ threat. His stat line from Baylor doesn’t standout much, but that is probably scheme specific. He’s a transfer from Stanford so he’s learned a thing or two about blocking. He’s currently impressing at the East-West Shrine game practices.

FOURTH ROUND (B) - GEORGE UKO, DE, USC

Big George Uko came to ‘SC as a mammoth athlete…he leaves USC (too early) as a mammoth athlete. He finally started to put it all together this year (All Pac-12 honorable mention), but needed the extra year to really round out into a true NFL prospect rather than going pro as a junior. He lacks the violence of the hands and still needs anchor better against the run. With that said, he’s explosive off the line and can penetrate. He has the frame to add more weight without losing much of his athleticism, which is what makes me believe he can develop into a 3-down DE.

FIFTH ROUND (A) – ISAIAH LEWIS, S, MICHIGAN ST

Lewis is the contingency plan. I don’t ever think he’ll be a world-beater. But I do think he’s the kind of guy who can play his assignment and be a quality starter. Colvin is a bit of a risky pick, so Lewis helps make sure we’re covered even if Colvin busts.

FIFTH ROUND (B) – DEANDRE COLEMAN, DT, CAL

Coleman is brought in to be a role player. He’s a big man (6’5” 315lbs – and if you look at photos it’s a pretty lean 315 too) who we can bring in on rushing-downs or to spell Raji/Jolly. He doesn’t do much with his hands, and given how tall he is has got to do some work on lowering his pads, but at the end of the day he’s a tough man to move off the LOS. Much like the other guys on our line, I think he can play both DT and NT.

SIXTH ROUND – KEON LYN, CB, SYRACUSE

Keon Lyn fits the trend of bigger and bigger corners, dialing in at 6’1” and 200lbs. While I’m not usually one for following the trend, when you got monsters like Megatron, Marshall, and Alshon in the division, it’s tough to deny the importance of height. Lyn is coming off a fractured kneecap, but to my knowledge that’s not the type of injury that is recurring so the injury bug doesn’t scare me. He brings impressive athleticism to go with that size, but still needs a lot of work. Another prospect that’s more potential than talent right now

SEVENTH ROUND – AUSTIN WENTWORTH, OL, FRESNO STATE

Wentworth just looks like a fluid, well-disciplined offensive lineman. He’s a 4 year starter who can reasonably play any position along the line except center. I actually think he could make a pretty fine RT. Pretty much becomes a direct Newhouse replacement.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is this forum's obsession with Skov? He's a Hawk clone.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CWood21 wrote:
What is this forum's obsession with Skov? He's a Hawk clone.


wat. Hawk is a hell of an athlete. Skov is a total thumper with a lot less athleticism. Either way, do not want at slot. I'd take Skov in the 5th. No way do I touch him higher.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CWood21 wrote:
What is this forum's obsession with Skov? He's a Hawk clone.


I agree. I don't see the big deal about this guy either.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Am Rodgers wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
What is this forum's obsession with Skov? He's a Hawk clone.


wat. Hawk is a hell of an athlete. Skov is a total thumper with a lot less athleticism. Either way, do not want at slot. I'd take Skov in the 5th. No way do I touch him higher.


I've been saying 4th rounder on him for ages and people act like I'm a nut job for not wanting him in R2. I love the kid and everything, but his flaws are clear.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drafting an injured ROLB from USC seems redundant. Kennar>Breslin
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NormSizedMidget wrote:
I Am Rodgers wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
What is this forum's obsession with Skov? He's a Hawk clone.


wat. Hawk is a hell of an athlete. Skov is a total thumper with a lot less athleticism. Either way, do not want at slot. I'd take Skov in the 5th. No way do I touch him higher.


I've been saying 4th rounder on him for ages and people act like I'm a nut job for not wanting him in R2. I love the kid and everything, but his flaws are clear.

Clearly I touched a hot button here. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me why he's such a reach at this position?

To me, LB is one of the positions where instincts matter most and Skov, to the casual observer, seems to have good ones. I find myself thinking of Ryans, DQwell, and Laurinaitis. Not that Skov's game is the same (though someone is going to have to tell me the differences), but all were highly productive college linebackers who went in round 2 because of minor flaws but have been quality starters. That's kind of what I was thinking here.

Also, y'all three got any thoughts on the rest of the draft?

HyponGrey wrote:
Drafting an injured ROLB from USC seems redundant. Kennar>Breslin

I'm guessing you mean Kennard? I love DK (though he too has injury issues, moreso than Breslin actually)! I think DK is going to light it up in the interviews, he's played 3 positions 3-4 OLB, 4-3 DE, and 4-3 MLB in addition to 1 year as essentially a student coach when hurt...he's got the savvy and may well be the more well-rounded OLB.

But for all that, I don't think he's just the raw pass rushing animal that Breslin is. When we moved up to draft Clay, I was ecstatic. When we took Perry, I gave a golf clap with a raised eyebrow. Breslin is more of the former than the latter.
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NormSizedMidget wrote:
I Am Rodgers wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
What is this forum's obsession with Skov? He's a Hawk clone.


wat. Hawk is a hell of an athlete. Skov is a total thumper with a lot less athleticism. Either way, do not want at slot. I'd take Skov in the 5th. No way do I touch him higher.


I've been saying 4th rounder on him for ages and people act like I'm a nut job for not wanting him in R2. I love the kid and everything, but his flaws are clear.


I don't get the obsession with Skov either

I believe being versatility is the name of the game for good 3-4 ILB, have to be jack of all trades (at least) and hopefully a king at a lot of trades.

Watching some of the great ILBers, they seem to be very athletic and be able to move fast, be physical when they have to but also cover when they have too...


If drafting an ILB high in the draft, I'd want someone that wouldn't be taken up the field for a dime DB...


I think fixing DL and S is much more important than fixing the ILB as other position can sub in for ILB, like Capers used Bush to sub in one game when all the ILB were injured and also has used Hyde as a dime DB/LB.


And really if they fix the Safety problem, I might even suggest they try an experiments with Richardson.... see if he can add some healthy weight and be a better coverage ILB than Brad Jones. Richardson might not be what they'll looking for in a S but he's got some nice skills, it'd be nice if they could find a better use for them than backing up M.D. Jennings... and coming in against big power RB only...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would not be too thrilled if we didn't address the secondary in the first 3 picks
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I like it, I'm all for trading out of the first. The only reason being that our track record seems to be better in the second. Not a very good reason, but it seems to hold true.

I'm interested in that de/olb from SC. I hate to say it, but I'm unfamiliar with him. I youtubed some clips, avoiding the stereotypical race bomb, he seems very 'heady' and most of his sacks are from reading the play correctly. Play action roll outs to his side were eaten up, sacks, forced INTS, or QB hits.

Skov intrigues me. He goes against everything I want in this draft, I want SPEED which I think is something he lacks. But something about him, tells me he is going to excel at the next level. To me the NFL is moving towards a league where the ILBs need to have tremendous speed and agility.

I appreciate the time you took. Thanks
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I think TT would either trade down in the 1st or out of the 1st if he got a good offer. Why, because a guy like Calvin Pryor, safety out of Louisville, might and be available later. I to do not have an obsession with Skov who seems to be slotted in most mock drafts I've seen mid to late 2nd round. The trouble with retaining Raji is he has turned down an 8 million per year deal already - so either he doesn't want to play in Green Bay or he thinks he is worth more than he is i.e. JerMicheal Finley. Add to that the guy had 17 tackles this year and only insanity pays a guy 8 million per year for 17 tackles - any fat guy can give you that. Would you rather have Jarius Byrd or BJ Raji for 8 million, and Byrd probably gets lass than that.
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I think TT would either trade down in the 1st or out of the 1st if he got a good offer. Why, because a guy like Calvin Pryor, safety out of Louisville, might and be available later. I to do not have an obsession with Skov who seems to be slotted in most mock drafts I've seen mid to late 2nd round. The trouble with retaining Raji is he has turned down an 8 million per year deal already - so either he doesn't want to play in Green Bay or he thinks he is worth more than he is i.e. JerMicheal Finley. Add to that the guy had 17 tackles this year and only insanity pays a guy 8 million per year for 17 tackles - any fat guy can give you that. Would you rather have Jarius Byrd or BJ Raji for 8 million, and Byrd probably gets lass than that.
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I Am Rodgers wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
What is this forum's obsession with Skov? He's a Hawk clone.


wat. Hawk is a hell of an athlete. Skov is a total thumper with a lot less athleticism. Either way, do not want at slot. I'd take Skov in the 5th. No way do I touch him higher.


Hawk is JAG, not athlete enough to compete against the likes of Vernon Davis and Reggie Bush. I'd love to have even one stud at ILB for the packers approaching Bowman-Willis level. Of course that would mean benching one of TT's $5.5/$4 million (Jones) starters in 2014-15.
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chillparsi1 wrote:
NormSizedMidget wrote:
I Am Rodgers wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
What is this forum's obsession with Skov? He's a Hawk clone.


wat. Hawk is a hell of an athlete. Skov is a total thumper with a lot less athleticism. Either way, do not want at slot. I'd take Skov in the 5th. No way do I touch him higher.


I've been saying 4th rounder on him for ages and people act like I'm a nut job for not wanting him in R2. I love the kid and everything, but his flaws are clear.

Clearly I touched a hot button here. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me why he's such a reach at this position?

To me, LB is one of the positions where instincts matter most and Skov, to the casual observer, seems to have good ones. I find myself thinking of Ryans, DQwell, and Laurinaitis. Not that Skov's game is the same (though someone is going to have to tell me the differences), but all were highly productive college linebackers who went in round 2 because of minor flaws but have been quality starters. That's kind of what I was thinking here.

Also, y'all three got any thoughts on the rest of the draft?

HyponGrey wrote:
Drafting an injured ROLB from USC seems redundant. Kennar>Breslin

I'm guessing you mean Kennard? I love DK (though he too has injury issues, moreso than Breslin actually)! I think DK is going to light it up in the interviews, he's played 3 positions 3-4 OLB, 4-3 DE, and 4-3 MLB in addition to 1 year as essentially a student coach when hurt...he's got the savvy and may well be the more well-rounded OLB.

But for all that, I don't think he's just the raw pass rushing animal that Breslin is. When we moved up to draft Clay, I was ecstatic. When we took Perry, I gave a golf clap with a raised eyebrow. Breslin is more of the former than the latter.


The biggest issue I have with Skov is going to be his timed speed. If he comes in under 4.65, I am fine with him in the 2nd. His instincts are tremendous. However, if he is running over 4.7, he is coming off the field on 3rd down at the next level and you have a 2 down player. You can get those later in the draft. That is my issue with taking Skov in the 2nd round.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Landry is probably my favorite guy in the draft right now.

After Watkins, both he and Beckham Jr. are 2 and 3 for me.
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