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Lil' Shorty


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:31 pm    Post subject: Lil' Shorty 2014 Mock Offseason 1.0 Reply with quote

To start off some of you will love this and some of you will hate it. I'm torn between 2 different ways to mock this and for now this is what I'm going with.

Arrow Coaches

Head Coach: Lovie Smith

Offensive Coordinator: Jeff Tedford
Defensive Coordinator: Leslie Frazier
Special Teams Coordinator: Kevin O'Dea

Arrow Bucs Roster Moves

Gerald McCoy: Extension - The reason is obvious. Also, with Gerald already scheduled to make in the $8 million range, an extension will only add another $2 million or so cap hit to the Bucs.

Carl Nicks: Restructure - I think there is value to keeping Nicks around one more season and seeing if he can do anything with a new staff. With us giving him that offer instead of strait up cutting him I think he would be willing to take a pay cut.

Davin Joseph: Restructure - While Davin did not have his best year last year he was voted a team captain and I think keeping him would be good for the locker room, at the right price. While I think we will see an improvement in his play this year I don't expect it to be major. However, we have some other holes to fill this season that I believe are bigger and if we can get another year out of Joseph then I say we ought to try if he is willing to take a pay cut.

Darrelle Revis: Restructure - I highly doubt he will initially want to restructure, but Lovie is a players coach and has a lot of credibility. Once he shares some of his plans with Revis and how he wants him to become Revis Island, I think Revis will really want to stay in Tampa. If we can brig Revis down to $12 or $13 million per with some substantial guaranteed money I think he would take it. Plus, he will still be the top paid CB in football.

Michael Koenen: Restructure - He knows Lovie doesn't owe him anything and he is getting paid stupid money to be a punter. A reason why I think we keep him and bring his salary down 1 million is because Lovie really really values special teams, and while Koenen is not only a good punter, he kicks off for us and always seems to get a touchback. That is extremely important and undervalued. Just ask the Eagles after last weeks game.

Jeremy Zuttah: Restructure - He makes way to much money as it is and he is going to be backup next season or OG at best and doesn't deserve to be paid as good as he is being paid.

Jamon Meredith: Resign - He has been a great backup for us and did well starting when he had to. Quality depth signing here that could be more with good coaching.

Jonathan Casillas: Resign - He wasn't great this hear but playing alongside David and Foster helped him out. Working with Nickerson next year should only make him better.

Dekoda Watson: Resign - Great special teamer (Lovie kinda guy) and is a solid pass rush specialist. Solid depth sighing.

Adam Hayward: Resign - Again, as the special teams captain I don't see Lovie letting Hayward get away. Solid depth signing and special teams leader.

Bobby Rainey: Resign - He would probably be the best #3 RB in the NFL and would be much cheaper than his potential value to our team. He could do big things when giving Martin or James a rest.

Let Walk:

Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
Eric Page
Dan Orlovsky
Danny Gorrer
Brian Leonard
Erik Lorig
Ted Larsen
Rian Lindell
Lawrence Tynes

Arrow Free Agency

The first thing I want everyone to keep in mind is that the cap will be going up in 2015 so it's not like we are eating up all of our cap space. Also, all of these players have some sort of connection to either Lovie, Tedford, or Frazier.

Alex Mack / C / Browns
5 years - $45 million ($19 million guaranteed)



First and foremost, we need a better center. Second, I don't see him coming back to the Browns with the three stooges in charge. With the Bucs having Tedford, Mack's college coach, it creates a mutual interest, and with us needing a new center, this move is a no brainer.

Jared Allen / DE / Vikings
3 years - $27 million ($14 million guaranteed)



Obviously we need a pass rusher on the opposite side of Clayborn. Allen has continued to produce at a high level for the last number of years, despite his age, on a defense that lacks talent or difference makers. Bringing him to Tampa to reunite with Frazier and play along side McCoy should be very appealing. Also, Allen will cost probably $4 to $5 million less than Hardy.

Charles Tillman / CB / Bears
3 years - $14 million ($10 million guaranteed)



Not only does Tillman substantially improve our nickel CB position but he brings experience and leadership and is someone that can help spread Lovie's ideas and culture in Tampa. I don't think we should make Banks the nickel after he started all last season, but I think Tillman comes to Tampa to reunite with Lovie.

Devin Hester / WR - KR - PR / Bears
4 years - $12 million ($6 million guaranteed)



Lovie has stressed being a great special teams team more than any other HC I can remember in recent years. Hester, being a free agent and a huge supporter of Lovie makes this a no brainer in my opinion. Plus, there is a good chance he takes a punt or two to the house and maybe a kick.

Arrow 2014 NFL Draft

[TRADE] Buccaneers switch 1st round picks with the Rams this year and give their 1st round pick in 2015 to the Rams to move up to the 2nd pick in the draft. [TRADE]

Round 1: Johnny Manziel / QB / Texas A&M



Simply put, he loves football and is a winner. Manziel can make an offense that has capable talent great, and we already have more than capable talent. While some of you may be concerned about his "off field" issues, I think that's ridiculous. Sure he got caught drinking at 20, but if we had social media 15 years ago I think a lot more players who turned out fine would have "character concerns." Manziel doesn't do drugs and isn't possibly lazy like Clowney, he loves football and has sensational football IQ. He puts in the work and wants to be the best. Any of his A&M teammates would say he is one of the best teammates and hardest working guys they have ever been around. His size and frame may be a bit of a concern, but Manziel always seems to avoid the big hit like Wilson in Seattle and developed much more as a pocket passer last season. Manziel can make all the throws and has unbelievable touch on his passes. He also always seems to find the open WR. I think Lovie and Tedford fall in love with his potential at the combine.

Some of you may say we should just go get Teddy if we are trading up to pick 2, but the price would be much much higher. Others might say, why would you take Manziel with Bortles there? Well, I don't like Bortles that much. I think he is like Matthew Stafford, has a big arm, trusts it too much and it gets him in trouble, has bad decision making and turns the ball over too much. Lastly some of you may say we should stay at 7 and grab Watkins if available and give Glennon a shot. If Lovie feels something is there with Glennon and thinks we could win a SB with him if we give him weapons, then I'm all for it. This is the option I'm torn between.

Round 2: Austin Seferian-Jenkins / TE / Washington



Whoever our QB is, we need to give him more weapons. In this mock we didnt get Sammy Watkins but regardless, we need ASJ in round 2. Not only does this give us a middle of the field threat and mismatch with LBs, but we have another red zone target. I honestly see ASJ becoming one of the premier TEs in the league. He got better at blocking this season and when paired with Jackson, Williams and Wright we could have something special. ASJ could very well be gone by our 2nd round pick but people slip every year and with 2 TE ahead of him it's definitely possible.

Round 4: Brandon Thomas / OG / Clemson



You can find quality guards in any round in the NFL Draft and this year is no exception. I was torn between Thomas and Miami (Fl) OG Brandon Linder. I decided that Thomas was the better pick for a few reasons. First off he he helped pave the way for one of the better rushing attacks in college and got his opponent on the ground 96 times throughout his college career. Thomas also has a lot if experience at LT. Not saying he will be one in the NFL, but with injuries being so prevalent in the NFL now days its good to have some versatility. However, I see Thomas projecting to take over Davin Joseph's spot after the 2014 season.

Round 5: J.C. Copeland / FB / L.S.U



After looking over some stuff on Tedford, I believe he wants an athletic FB in the Mike Tolbert from Carolina form. That is pretty much what you have with Copeland. The dude is extremely fast for his size and can catch the ball out of the backfield. At 6'0" 270 he is a bowling ball and would also be a great lead blocker for Martin.

Round 6: Josh Huff / WR-KR / Oregon



We found our deep threat and slot WR boys. Huff was solid at Oregon with his speed and toughness that fit perfectly into their offense. At 5'11" 202 he is stocky and tough. Add 4.3 speed and he can easily take the top off the defense and take punishment if he gets popped. Huff can also contribute in the kick return game. While we signed Hester for that job, Lovie I'm sure would like to have a solid backup option but more importantly a WR that can take the top off a defense. Add in his kick return ability and Huff is a no brainer pick in the 6th.

Round 7: Chaz Sutton / DE / South Carolina



Playing in the SEC Sutton notched 5 sacks this season with his blend of size and speed. He stands at 6'5" 263 and runs somewhere in the high 4.7 low 4.8. In his first season he could bring us some speed off the edge and experience against top college competition and push Bowers for the 4th DE spot behind Allen, Clayborn, and Gholston.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't Like The Trade up (unless we are trading up for Clowney) and Where is Rainey he is a FA
But Love the FA
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djw4bucs wrote:
Don't Like The Trade up (unless we are trading up for Clowney) and Where is Rainey he is a FA
But Love the FA

Completely forgot about Rainey.. Ill fix that. Yeah the trade up is a love or hate kinda move and I think we trade up to 2 for Manziel or stay at 7 and hope Watkins falls. Regardless of if we want Manziel or not his game changing ability will be very appealing to our coaches I feel. I do not want Clowney. I think he has all the potential in the world but will be lazy, a poor teammate, and not give you everything he has throughout the game. I guy I work with has a friend that plays for South Carolina and he described Marcus Lattimore as one of the most respected players he ever played with and he described Clowney as the complete opposite.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice off season but I would flip spit if we traded to #2 and took Manziel. He is Vick 2.0. He'll win us some games and create some buzz, but at the end of the day he will be injured for half of his entire career.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in.

Things I love.
Resigning trio LB Depth thinking its a must.
Keeping Nicks and Joseph to give them rebound chance.
Signing Allen, Tillman, and Hester I'd be gitty...
Drafting ASJ and replacing Glennon with winner in Manziel.

Things I'm not for.
Signing Mack don't see Zuttah as the problem and not to mention paying that much for him.
Letting Lorig walk is a mistake.
Id prefer to draft CB in 4th.

I'd be thrilled though with this off season
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

96BucsBallin wrote:
Nice off season but I would flip spit if we traded to #2 and took Manziel. He is Vick 2.0. He'll win us some games and create some buzz, but at the end of the day he will be injured for half of his entire career.

Agreed
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djw4bucs wrote:
96BucsBallin wrote:
Nice off season but I would flip spit if we traded to #2 and took Manziel. He is Vick 2.0. He'll win us some games and create some buzz, but at the end of the day he will be injured for half of his entire career.

Agreed

Id classify drafting Manziel as a risk, but isnt drafting any QB high in the first a risk? Manziel has different risks about him than any other QB in this draft but if the worst of it is teaching him to not take big hits, and bulk up a little in the offseason, would you really just pass on him? He has already shown that he can develop as a pocket passer and read defenses (something Vick still cannot do to this day) and he is one heck of a vocal leader. Id say Manziel is the 2nd most polished passer in this draft behind Bridgewater.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very optimistic free agency, as per usual.

I like the trade for Manziel. It's a lot to give up but he can potentially take this team to the next level.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would rather have Lorig stay first off... Rather not waste money on Hester when we have demps for Kr PR. With money not signing Hester I say Greg hardy he's coming to his prime he's a beast already plus will have McCoy to play off.. Last thing first draft I'd rather grab Bortles then Manziel.. Plus it's not a lock that Bridgewater will go to Houston so if we have the second pick we can end up with Teddy. Plus I think we will have to give more to trade up
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing I'd ax is giving 9 mil to a center. Come on. I love Mack but that ludicrous. We don't need the best center. Get a slot guy like Tate for 4-5 mil.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love it, but why let Lorig walk? He is a good FB
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgot to say thanks for the mock... I love them but another idea is on day 3 in 6th 7th round wouldn't mind Jacobbi McDaniel FSU DT was a 5 star recruit missed almost 2 seasons with an ankle injury.. Would be great for depth and has the talent to become more
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tml_gogo wrote:
Very optimistic free agency, as per usual.

I like the trade for Manziel. It's a lot to give up but he can potentially take this team to the next level.

Well since the Glazers have been spending in recent years I feel better about posting Free Agency's like this. Haha. Whether we get all 4 of those guys or not I think we will be in the running for all of them at the least due to the reasons I listed and the ties we have to them. However, only Mack and Allen would be expensive. And for the record I though $6 mil per would be too low for a top paid C or I would of put that. Maybe it is.. Regardless I think if we skip out on one of those 4 free agents I think it will be Mack because we can't go another year without a guaranteed pass rusher in Allen and Tillman and Hester help spread Lovie's culture and help needs.

Calibucsfan wrote:
Love it, but why let Lorig walk? He is a good FB

Lorig is a good FB but I don't feel that he is nimble, shifty, or quick enough to really be able to be used like Tedford would want to use a FB in his offense. Plus Copeland will be cheaper and possibly better. Just my thoughts.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 100% behind this off-season. This is exactly what I want except I want Joseph gone and a new RG put in place. Other then that, yes Shorty great idea, I love it.

Johnny Football will be a boom or bust and will be fun to watch in the NFL if he pans out.
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djw4bucs wrote:
96BucsBallin wrote:
Nice off season but I would flip spit if we traded to #2 and took Manziel. He is Vick 2.0. He'll win us some games and create some buzz, but at the end of the day he will be injured for half of his entire career.

Agreed
That's lame. Any prospect in the draft can be an injury prone player for the rest of their career - its the price you pay to play in the NFL.
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