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Whos more important to the Lions success?
Matt Stafford
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Calvin Johnson
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:14 am    Post subject: CJ or Staff? Whos more important to the success of the Lions Reply with quote

Now let me preface this by saying this question can be taken many different ways. However i am looking for an answer to this question.. Who is directly more important to the success of the Detroit Lions.

Obviously Stafford is our franchise QB and a top 10 QB in the league but he also has his flaws just as almost every other QB does. He has heart and determination though and we all know it is near impossible to win in this league without a franchise QB and we have been through plenty of bad seasons without one.

HOWEVER

on the other end of the spectrum Calvin is the best receiver in all of football. We saw how bad this offense was without him on the field when they played GB and even as a decoy he opens up so many options for Bush, Durham, Burleson, etc.

I wont state my opinion until we get a few answers in here. Me and my friend were just arguing over this and I want to get some more educated view points on the matter.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Calvin has the greater overall impact, though its very very close. We all saw what happened when he wasn't in the game, but even if he has a bad game he still can provide a positive impact.

This is tough though. If Stafford has a bad game, we're nearly guaranteed to lose. If Calvin has a bad game, we can still easily win if teams still roll their coverage his way. If you think of it that way then I'd say Staffords performance is more influential on the outcome of the game, which I might say is true. But when you consider that all Calvin has to do is be on the field to make an impact, that makes him seem more important.

This is really 50/50
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calvin is the better player.
Stafford is the more important player.

I'd much rather try to find a good receiver to replace Calvin than have what we had for 50 years trying to find a good quarterback.

I'm just happy we have both Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given how tough it is to find franchise type QBs in comparison to WR. Edge Stafford.

QB impact on game compared to WR. Edge Stafford.

Better player. Edge Calvin.

Player to likely player longer. Edge Calvin.

Who would I pick if I had to pick one right now? Calvin.

Who do I think is the best long term player to pick? Stafford.


It is 50/50 depending on how you view positional value etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting question.

One of the reasons the team missed CJ so badly was the ineffective play of other receivers. It similar to how ineffective the team was without Jahvid Best.

QB is the most important position on the team and Stafford is far and away the best QB the Lions have had in my lifetime. The team has had good and great RB's and have had some decent WR's most notably HM but the
Lions were limited due to the absence of a franchise QB.

It's really a tough question because CJ is simply so good but I have to go with Stafford.

The QB is involved in every offensive snap and the position is harder to play at a high level.

Stafford frustrates me with some of his bone headed plays but he's a good a QB that keeps progressing.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's obvious based on the previous 2 seasons that Stafford is more important to wins.
Calvin broke the all receiving yards record last year but the team had an abysmal season. The previous season stafford had an all time great season statistically and they make the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stafford.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a dif look at the Q.

Obviously the QB positions is the leader of the every offense.

But for the Lions at this time one would have to say CJ.

My reasoning is looking at the player that would need to fill for said player if one of the two went down.

If Kris Durham had to fill in for CJ VS Shaun Hill filling in for Stafford.

Def's wouldn't need to double Durham and would focus on stopping Bush.

If Hill had to play Def's couldn't/wouldn't change that much.

Overall losing CJ would hurt the performance of the overall offense more than the losing Stafford.

For me, It comes down to our backups and how the Def's would adjust to the loss of each player.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stafford and TBH I'm surprised there are posters who think its close.

Calvin is by far the superior player but Stafford is more important to the Lions success.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its Stafford for more important to success. The quarterback has more of an impact on the game than a receiver. A quarterback is the field general and having a poor one effects the whole team.

Megatron is the more talented player though.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WE-R-Lions wrote:
I took a dif look at the Q.

Obviously the QB positions is the leader of the every offense.

But for the Lions at this time one would have to say CJ.

My reasoning is looking at the player that would need to fill for said player if one of the two went down.

If Kris Durham had to fill in for CJ VS Shaun Hill filling in for Stafford.

Def's wouldn't need to double Durham and would focus on stopping Bush.

If Hill had to play Def's couldn't/wouldn't change that much.

Overall losing CJ would hurt the performance of the overall offense more than the losing Stafford.

For me, It comes down to our backups and how the Def's would adjust to the loss of each player.


I see what you are saying but thats just ranking backups. I see though that depending which one went down and given our team now, which player would be missed most.

If for the next ten years you could have Stafford or Megatron who would you choose?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

38andy38 wrote:
Stafford and TBH I'm surprised there are posters who think its close.

Calvin is by far the superior player but Stafford is more important to the Lions success.


Yes. I don't think its close either. Very hard to find a talented franchise QB while replacing Megatron would be easier.

NOT on Megatrons level but finding a decent receiver compared to a decent QB is much easier.

Except our FO can't seem to find another pro-bowl receiver besides Megatron. Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TimeForChange wrote:
WE-R-Lions wrote:
I took a dif look at the Q.

Obviously the QB positions is the leader of the every offense.

But for the Lions at this time one would have to say CJ.

My reasoning is looking at the player that would need to fill for said player if one of the two went down.

If Kris Durham had to fill in for CJ VS Shaun Hill filling in for Stafford.

Def's wouldn't need to double Durham and would focus on stopping Bush.

If Hill had to play Def's couldn't/wouldn't change that much.

Overall losing CJ would hurt the performance of the overall offense more than the losing Stafford.

For me, It comes down to our backups and how the Def's would adjust to the loss of each player.


I see what you are saying but thats just ranking backups. I see though that depending which one went down and given our team now, which player would be missed most.

If for the next ten years you could have Stafford or Megatron who would you choose?


It would be Stafford long term, but with our current team mix CJ would hurt us more this year.

Hill managed the team well for us when Stafford went down two years ago.

Cutler & Marshall Vs Josh McCown & Marshall could be a good example.
CHI shouldn't have played Cutler last wk and should have let McCown manage the team.

The flip side would be Rogers and Who?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qb is the most important position.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WE-R-Lions wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:
WE-R-Lions wrote:
I took a dif look at the Q.

Obviously the QB positions is the leader of the every offense.

But for the Lions at this time one would have to say CJ.

My reasoning is looking at the player that would need to fill for said player if one of the two went down.

If Kris Durham had to fill in for CJ VS Shaun Hill filling in for Stafford.

Def's wouldn't need to double Durham and would focus on stopping Bush.

If Hill had to play Def's couldn't/wouldn't change that much.

Overall losing CJ would hurt the performance of the overall offense more than the losing Stafford.

For me, It comes down to our backups and how the Def's would adjust to the loss of each player.


I see what you are saying but thats just ranking backups. I see though that depending which one went down and given our team now, which player would be missed most.

If for the next ten years you could have Stafford or Megatron who would you choose?


It would be Stafford long term, but with our current team mix CJ would hurt us more this year.

Hill managed the team well for us when Stafford went down two years ago.

Cutler & Marshall Vs Josh McCown & Marshall could be a good example.
CHI shouldn't have played Cutler last wk and should have let McCown manage the team.

The flip side would be Rogers and Who?

Well, sure, because the gap between CJ and Durham is far greater than Stafford to Hill. That's a reflection of our lack of WR depth (and the quality of our backup QB) more than anything.
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