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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bkokot wrote:
I'm inclined not to count Gabe Carimi, he may not be very good, but he's still playing in the league (a starter in tampa bay?) I know that's not saying much, but maybe he's slightly too good to be on this list. Can we find a bigger fail at RT to make the list complete?


he comes in as their 3rd tackle jumbo set formations...but on that team he could probably play
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugashane wrote:
That being said Benson should be the starter.

How could I have forgotten Benson?! And Mark Columbo for that matter. I'm going to have to make some edits.

CBears019 wrote:
Remember the love that Beekman got around here?

I remember having a multi-page blowout argument where I said I didn't think replacing Frank Omiyale with Josh Beekman would make a significant difference on the offensive line, which sent some former board members flying off the handle. Laughing

bkokot wrote:
I'm inclined not to count Gabe Carimi, he may not be very good, but he's still playing in the league (a starter in tampa bay?) I know that's not saying much, but maybe he's slightly too good to be on this list. Can we find a bigger fail at RT to make the list complete?

The problem is Angelo never drafted offensive linemen, but I'm going to keep Carimi there based solely on being a 1st rounder. Also I suppose I should add Terrance Metcalf at LG. He wasn't much good either.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've updated the initial post. Here are the changes:

QB Rex Grossman - Despite "leading" the Bears to a Super Bowl, I think it's safe to say he as a substantial bust.

HB Cedric Benson - Tough call because he did have some success in Cincinnati, and I don't think it's a stretch to say some of his failure in Chicago could be attributed to the decline of the offensive line in 2007. Still, the Bears never got an acceptable return on investment from a guy picked 4th overall.

LT Chris Williams - This was a tough one. It was either Williams or Columbo. Williams is the starting LG in St. Louis, but I think it's safe to say Columbo still had more success and notoriety in the NFL than Williams has.

LG Terrence Metcalf - This one was also tough. 25 career starts in seven seasons with Bears. But I think he has to be on the list; he was never spectacular, and it's just too difficult to try to stick somebody like Chester Adams into the lineup.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMike84 wrote:
Sugashane wrote:
That being said Benson should be the starter.

How could I have forgotten Benson?! And Mark Columbo for that matter. I'm going to have to make some edits.

CBears019 wrote:
Remember the love that Beekman got around here?

I remember having a multi-page blowout argument where I said I didn't think replacing Frank Omiyale with Josh Beekman would make a significant difference on the offensive line, which sent some former board members flying off the handle. Laughing

bkokot wrote:
I'm inclined not to count Gabe Carimi, he may not be very good, but he's still playing in the league (a starter in tampa bay?) I know that's not saying much, but maybe he's slightly too good to be on this list. Can we find a bigger fail at RT to make the list complete?

The problem is Angelo never drafted offensive linemen, but I'm going to keep Carimi there based solely on being a 1st rounder. Also I suppose I should add Terrance Metcalf at LG. He wasn't much good either.


In psychology we call that "suppression," it is quite common after traumatic events. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may not apply but Jay Cutler is also a Jerry Angelo pick as far as trading from Denver, correct? He is not a Trestman or Emery pick?
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MDbear4ever wrote:
This may not apply but Jay Cutler is also a Jerry Angelo pick as far as trading from Denver, correct? He is not a Trestman or Emery pick?


He is an Angelo acquisition, but he has a solid win/loss record even with players around him that would struggle against top college teams like Alabama. He is far from a bust, if that is indeed the implication.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Columbo was a good player.

Just not for us Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really have to stop reading this forum during lunch Embarassed
For those masacists out there maybe we should review which Angelo draft picks are still starting for the Baers less then one year after he was fired.

Matt Forte (2008)
Corey Wootton (2010)
Robbie Gould (2005)
Lance Briggs (2003)
Charles Tillman (2003)
Devin Hester (2006)
Major Wright (2010)
Chris Conte (2011)

8 players out of 26. (11 defense, 11 offense, Kicker, punter Long Snaper and return specialist) Three good or at least solid players that probably have some good years ahead of them, 3 aging stars that are about to fall off the cliff, and two guys you would be happy to replace if given half a chance.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugashane wrote:
MDbear4ever wrote:
This may not apply but Jay Cutler is also a Jerry Angelo pick as far as trading from Denver, correct? He is not a Trestman or Emery pick?


He is an Angelo acquisition, but he has a solid win/loss record even with players around him that would struggle against top college teams like Alabama. He is far from a bust, if that is indeed the implication.


Not to mention, what would Angelo had done with the picks?
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ForteOz wrote:
Sugashane wrote:
MDbear4ever wrote:
This may not apply but Jay Cutler is also a Jerry Angelo pick as far as trading from Denver, correct? He is not a Trestman or Emery pick?


He is an Angelo acquisition, but he has a solid win/loss record even with players around him that would struggle against top college teams like Alabama. He is far from a bust, if that is indeed the implication.


Not to mention, what would Angelo had done with the picks?


Likely add more quality starters.... to this list.
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Sugashane wrote:
ForteOz wrote:
Sugashane wrote:
MDbear4ever wrote:
This may not apply but Jay Cutler is also a Jerry Angelo pick as far as trading from Denver, correct? He is not a Trestman or Emery pick?


He is an Angelo acquisition, but he has a solid win/loss record even with players around him that would struggle against top college teams like Alabama. He is far from a bust, if that is indeed the implication.


Not to mention, what would Angelo had done with the picks?


Likely add more quality starters.... to this list.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we take this too far and pit team one against team two?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angelos second pick with us ever CB Roe Williams, he was a 3rd round pick.

2003 he gave us a couple 5th round WRs: Justin Gage and Bobby Wade

2006 he drafted Jamar Williams to (supposedly) take over for Briggs

2009 5th rounder LB Marcus Freeman

2011 QB Nathan Enderle
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bowler1215 wrote:
Angelos second pick with us ever CB Roe Williams, he was a 3rd round pick.

2003 he gave us a couple 5th round WRs: Justin Gage and Bobby Wade

2006 he drafted Jamar Williams to (supposedly) take over for Briggs

2009 5th rounder LB Marcus Freeman

2011 QB Nathan Enderle


Gage and Wade both played in the NFL a long time. Those are not good examples of Angelo's failure at all. Those were both good value picks in the 5th round.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G08 wrote:
Can we take this too far and pit team one against team two?

I started to make a similar thread using Angelo's free agent acquisitions but never finished. It was pretty close to a full team. The only issues I had was filling out LB and CB. There were some good names in there too that many people probably forgot about, like Darwin Walker and Kevin Jones.
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