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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you think Bennie Logan has been? I havent really kept a close eye on him.
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Hammertime52 wrote:
How do you think Bennie Logan has been? I havent really kept a close eye on him.

Honestly, haven't been paying attention to him.
I don't even know what number he wears.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How do you think Bennie Logan has been? I havent really kept a close eye on him.

He struggles when we ask him to anchor against the run some, but when we let him make plays he has been really good. He made a few big tackles on RGIII and Morris yesterday. He has a future in Philly, that much is sure.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hammertime52 wrote:
How do you think Bennie Logan has been? I havent really kept a close eye on him.

He struggles when we ask him to anchor against the run some, but when we let him make plays he has been really good. He made a few big tackles on RGIII and Morris yesterday. He has a future in Philly, that much is sure.
Absolutely. I recall him bull rushing hardcore on a few plays, just flat out blowing up the pocket/back-field. He's been an upgrade over Sopoaga, no doubt about it.

Funny thing is, I remember on draft day 2 thinking "Who is Bennie Logan?" Laughing If we had gone NT, I wanted Brandon Williams (later drafted by BAL). But, I was wrong. Logan seems very promising, especially that he's an undersized NT but still making some kind of impact.
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Most of us were wondering who tbh on Logan.
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You always have to take a flyer on those LSU and Alabama guy's, especially on defense. Sometimes they bust, but generally they end up being very solid. I just want us to land a Patrick Peterson, or a Sherman or something in the next 1-2 years. Our defense needs a "star player". Our offense has plenty of them, but no one of defense just puts the fear in people. The reason why Seattle, and Carolina has been so effective is largely because of defensive consistency and simply having a ridiculous amount of playmakers on that side of the ball.
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You always have to take a flyer on those LSU and Alabama guy's, especially on defense. Sometimes they bust, but generally they end up being very solid. I just want us to land a Patrick Peterson, or a Sherman or something in the next 1-2 years. Our defense needs a "star player". Our offense has plenty of them, but no one of defense just puts the fear in people. The reason why Seattle, and Carolina has been so effective is largely because of defensive consistency and simply having a ridiculous amount of playmakers on that side of the ball.


I agree with this, I wish we had someone on defense who WR fear.

Remember how nobody wanted Kuelchy because we thought he was no good?
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FootballProdiG wrote:
You always have to take a flyer on those LSU and Alabama guy's, especially on defense. Sometimes they bust, but generally they end up being very solid. I just want us to land a Patrick Peterson, or a Sherman or something in the next 1-2 years. Our defense needs a "star player". Our offense has plenty of them, but no one of defense just puts the fear in people. The reason why Seattle, and Carolina has been so effective is largely because of defensive consistency and simply having a ridiculous amount of playmakers on that side of the ball.


I agree with this, I wish we had someone on defense who WR fear.

Remember how nobody wanted Kuelchy because we thought he was no good?


I understand where both of you are coming from but TBH we have our Stud Star player on defense already he just plays a less popular/appreciated position. Fetcher Cox is on his way to being one of if not the best 3-4 DE in the NFL and I'm serious. He is a monster. He is turning into our JJ Watt of the Dline. Yes having a stud CB to potentially shut down WR is a posistion of need and more glamorous but those CB are aided by pressure coming up front. Carolinas Defense isn't successful because they have stud corners they have possibly one of the best front 7 in football.

From what this current DL is doing in less then a year in a new system adding a couple more to that group puts them on the right track to claim the same in the future. Find a legit young OLB who gets consistent pass rush/pressure/sacks. Find the young ILB to eventually replace Ryans in a year or two. Those are must haves IMO not preying to find the next Revis , PP, Sherman because they don't grow on trees.

As great as the Seahawks secondary is as a "unit", that unit would not be as successful without the pressure and push of that front 7 / Dline. Peterson is great but it's that front 7 in Arizona that makes that defense click. I agree in finding as many playmakers as possible but I think Cox baring injury is the Star we can already claim.
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Yup, Fletcher Cox has been a beast and is definitely someone that OCs will fear if they haven't already. Now I'm not about to say he is going to be the next JJ like Nabbs said, JJ is special, we're talking all-time special, but Cox looks like he's on his way to being a top 10 defender in this league and perennial all-pro player.

I agree with Nabbs, hoping we find a spcial shutdown CB in the draft is foolish. Right now Revis and Sherman are the only guys in the NFL who can shutdown opposing WRs on a weekly basis regardless of the rest of their Ds performance (you could argue a few other guys as well, personally I think it's just these two though). If you have a good pass rush, you only need starter quality CBs, and if you have a great pass rush the CB skill requirement is even lower. We need to get linebackers and a safety (depending on how rest of year plays out) before we should start looking at CB. Boykin is a stud, and Fletcher and Cary are both average starters.
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Yup, Fletcher Cox has been a beast and is definitely someone that OCs will fear if they haven't already. Now I'm not about to say he is going to be the next JJ like Nabbs said, JJ is special, we're talking all-time special, but Cox looks like he's on his way to being a top 10 defender in this league and perennial all-pro player.

I agree with Nabbs, hoping we find a spcial shutdown CB in the draft is foolish. Right now Revis and Sherman are the only guys in the NFL who can shutdown opposing WRs on a weekly basis regardless of the rest of their Ds performance (you could argue a few other guys as well, personally I think it's just these two though). If you have a good pass rush, you only need starter quality CBs, and if you have a great pass rush the CB skill requirement is even lower. We need to get linebackers and a safety (depending on how rest of year plays out) before we should start looking at CB. Boykin is a stud, and Fletcher and Cary are both average starters.


Wasn't saying he was as good or would be better then Watt but for "our line" he in the future will have that type of impact for our defense. Where teams will have to game plan to stop him. Let alone if Thorton, Logan, Curry and say a Nix type player was added and continued to improve.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We really need a great OLB across Barwin.
It's the easiest way to build a good Defense, a good/great front seven. Bennie stepped up after he was made starter.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Completely agree Nabbs. Fantastic post.

What this club needs to prioritize is finding that predator style pass-rusher who can consistently get after the quarterback and wreck havoc. Also, replacing Ryans eventually with a leader and playmaker is a must.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our defense plays above it's talent level because Cox, Logan and Thornton are probably the best young 3-4 trio in the NFL.


We win in the trenches at that is what matters in this league.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Our defense plays above it's talent level because Cox, Logan and Thornton are probably the best young 3-4 trio in the NFL.


We win in the trenches at that is what matters in this league.
It took some time for everyone to "learn" their new position in the front 7 of this Billy D 3-4 look, but things seem to be coming along nicely. At the beginning of the season, we didn't dominate the LOS like we are now.

Btw, the Soap trade was addition by subtraction.
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ninjapirate wrote:
Our defense plays above it's talent level because Cox, Logan and Thornton are probably the best young 3-4 trio in the NFL.


We win in the trenches at that is what matters in this league.
It took some time for everyone to "learn" their new position in the front 7 of this Billy D 3-4 look, but things seem to be coming along nicely. At the beginning of the season, we didn't dominate the LOS like we are now.

Btw, the Soap trade was addition by subtraction.


Add to the fact the new CBA - it's only now more than half way through the season that guys are comfortable enough to put the plays they learned in training camp out on the field in a contact setting.
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