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GSUeagles14


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd rather have Clowney than Matthews. Also, the monetary investment in Baker makes an OT early unlikely.


Not true, Could put Baker or Matthews/Lewan on the right side. Move Johnson back to guard in that scenario as well.
and the team likes Holmes. So what happens with him?

And don't expect Johnson to come back in 2013 if they plan on drafting someone. re-signing Johnson would basically make a tackle 100% unlikely in the draft.


Clearly they feel he needs improvement. For a while even with Baker not 100%, Holmes was on the bench with Baker/Trueblood starting. If Holmes improves, you cut Bkaer in a couple years, if not than you continue to look for better options.

And resigning Johnson doesnt really mean much for the draft except we wont need to replace him. He could start at RG, or back up RG, LG, RT.

Yeah, and considering you are already looking at replacing Reynolds at RG, Johnson starting at RG would affect the draft quite a bit.


You thiking adding (maybe) a depth guy changes the draft quite a bit?

But thats not the important part, Bakers contract doesnt mean we cant add a tackle early, nor would bringing johnson back. Those are the two statements i took issue with.

It'd mean they have 3 guys they like at tackle. Baker as a LT, Johnson as a RT and Holmes as a LT and a RT. In that situation, why would you invest in a top 3 pick at OT? It'd make much more sense to go Clowney or Barr there. That's the point.


As i already said, they clearly feel Holmes needs improvement. Secondly, in this scenario, Johnson either starts at guard or can become a swing backup filling in a three positions if needed. So Baker at LT/RT, Matthews/Lewan/Richardson at the same and Holmes backing up both. Johnson can play guard as well, so not really seeing the point there.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As i already said, they clearly feel Holmes needs improvement. Secondly, in this scenario, Johnson either starts at guard or can become a swing backup filling in a three positions if needed. So Baker at LT/RT, Matthews/Lewan/Richardson at the same and Holmes backing up both. Johnson can play guard as well, so not really seeing the point there.

they feel Holmes is getting that experience needed now. Not improvement, experience. They think he's a future pro bowl player. You don't replace a guy who's a future pro bowl player. And Baker's contract makes him a starter and guarantees him one more shot to stay healthy.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As i already said, they clearly feel Holmes needs improvement. Secondly, in this scenario, Johnson either starts at guard or can become a swing backup filling in a three positions if needed. So Baker at LT/RT, Matthews/Lewan/Richardson at the same and Holmes backing up both. Johnson can play guard as well, so not really seeing the point there.

they feel Holmes is getting that experience needed now. Not improvement, experience. They think he's a future pro bowl player. You don't replace a guy who's a future pro bowl player. And Baker's contract makes him a starter and guarantees him one more shot to stay healthy.


I dont really care about hearsay. Holmes is not a probowler right now and was benched for trueblood at one point. Maybe he develops, maybe he doesnt but the falcons actions show that they arent exactly happy with hi splay so far.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As i already said, they clearly feel Holmes needs improvement. Secondly, in this scenario, Johnson either starts at guard or can become a swing backup filling in a three positions if needed. So Baker at LT/RT, Matthews/Lewan/Richardson at the same and Holmes backing up both. Johnson can play guard as well, so not really seeing the point there.

they feel Holmes is getting that experience needed now. Not improvement, experience. They think he's a future pro bowl player. You don't replace a guy who's a future pro bowl player. And Baker's contract makes him a starter and guarantees him one more shot to stay healthy.


I dont really care about hearsay. Holmes is not a probowler right now and was benched for trueblood at one point. Maybe he develops, maybe he doesnt but the falcons actions show that they arent exactly happy with hi splay so far.
and at one time, Thomas DeCoud was benched for James Sanders for a game. That means nothing. His benching lasted all of 14 plays... Laughing
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Clowney in the first has to be the move made. Whether we like it or not, we have a lot more invested on the OL (Baker/Holmes/Konz- All high draft picks from TD) than we do on the DL. Sign one OL via FA, draft an elite G in the 2nd (Richardson/Jackson). We are officially "Downey for Clowney"
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Clowney in the first has to be the move made. Whether we like it or not, we have a lot more invested on the OL (Baker/Holmes/Konz- All high draft picks from TD) than we do on the DL. Sign one OL via FA, draft an elite G in the 2nd (Richardson/Jackson). We are officially "Downey for Clowney"
Drowning for Clowney.
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.Decoud jus needs to play better. his coverage and tackling this year has jus been horrific.


I would have hoped with rookie corners he would step up, nope. He's just average and I want elite talent.... he isn't it. NEXT.
Well neither is William Moore. Better replace him too. Hard hitter and all, but his tackling and coverage skills are avg at best.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Clowney in the first has to be the move made. Whether we like it or not, we have a lot more invested on the OL (Baker/Holmes/Konz- All high draft picks from TD) than we do on the DL. Sign one OL via FA, draft an elite G in the 2nd (Richardson/Jackson). We are officially "Downey for Clowney"
"All high draft picks by TD" Brick wall
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
GSUeagles14 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
GSUeagles14 wrote:
As i already said, they clearly feel Holmes needs improvement. Secondly, in this scenario, Johnson either starts at guard or can become a swing backup filling in a three positions if needed. So Baker at LT/RT, Matthews/Lewan/Richardson at the same and Holmes backing up both. Johnson can play guard as well, so not really seeing the point there.

they feel Holmes is getting that experience needed now. Not improvement, experience. They think he's a future pro bowl player. You don't replace a guy who's a future pro bowl player. And Baker's contract makes him a starter and guarantees him one more shot to stay healthy.


I dont really care about hearsay. Holmes is not a probowler right now and was benched for trueblood at one point. Maybe he develops, maybe he doesnt but the falcons actions show that they arent exactly happy with hi splay so far.
and at one time, Thomas DeCoud was benched for James Sanders for a game. That means nothing. His benching lasted all of 14 plays... Laughing
That's because Sanders was garbage...and trash(Decoud) smells a lil bit better than garbage..... Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
SpoonFed56 wrote:
Clowney in the first has to be the move made. Whether we like it or not, we have a lot more invested on the OL (Baker/Holmes/Konz- All high draft picks from TD) than we do on the DL. Sign one OL via FA, draft an elite G in the 2nd (Richardson/Jackson). We are officially "Downey for Clowney"
Drowning for Clowney.


How about "Playing like clowns for Clowney"
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scar988 wrote:
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Clowney in the first has to be the move made. Whether we like it or not, we have a lot more invested on the OL (Baker/Holmes/Konz- All high draft picks from TD) than we do on the DL. Sign one OL via FA, draft an elite G in the 2nd (Richardson/Jackson). We are officially "Downey for Clowney"
Drowning for Clowney.


How about "Playing like clowns for Clowney"
Can't ryme clown with clown. and downey is fabric softener. Downey for Clowney sounds more like an endorsement deal.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
SpoonFed56 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
SpoonFed56 wrote:
Clowney in the first has to be the move made. Whether we like it or not, we have a lot more invested on the OL (Baker/Holmes/Konz- All high draft picks from TD) than we do on the DL. Sign one OL via FA, draft an elite G in the 2nd (Richardson/Jackson). We are officially "Downey for Clowney"
Drowning for Clowney.


How about "Playing like clowns for Clowney"
Can't ryme clown with clown. and downey is fabric softener. Downey for Clowney sounds more like an endorsement deal.


Laughing Never thought of it that way. But the whole "playing like clowns for Clowney" was more sarcasm than anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
GSUeagles14 wrote:
As i already said, they clearly feel Holmes needs improvement. Secondly, in this scenario, Johnson either starts at guard or can become a swing backup filling in a three positions if needed. So Baker at LT/RT, Matthews/Lewan/Richardson at the same and Holmes backing up both. Johnson can play guard as well, so not really seeing the point there.

they feel Holmes is getting that experience needed now. Not improvement, experience. They think he's a future pro bowl player. You don't replace a guy who's a future pro bowl player. And Baker's contract makes him a starter and guarantees him one more shot to stay healthy.
They think he's a future pro bowl player? That could use some elaboration scar, because you can't just brush past that and say you don't replace a guy who's a future pro bowl player when he's been mediocre at best his entire (brief) career.

I think we can all agree Right Guard is in the most dire need of an upgrade but our OT situation is far from cemented just because a late third round pick that was considered a reach has some mystic probowl potential. Just replacing Reynolds at RG won't transform our entire line from the worst run blocking unit in the NFL into a credible playoff-caliber group of guys.

I wouldn't be unhappy in the slightest if we drafted Clowney, provided we address the right side of our line in FA/rounds 2 and 3. However unless we end up losing every game from here on out I doubt the highest rated prospect in the draft lasts until our pick.
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We're stuck with Baker AT LEAST for next season unless he gets injured again, which very well could happen. If we pass on Clowney or Barr, we would regret it trust me. How often do we pick top 5? How often does a player like Clowney come around? Not often. We can address the OL situation in round 2 if we're lucky enough Richardson/Jackson falls to us in the 2nd (we still will be picking high remember). Then sign a FA like Oher to play RT or Mack who would play C. There are tons of scenarios where we can fix the OL via FA/draft but we MUST take Clowney or Barr if they are there.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpoonFed56 wrote:
We're stuck with Baker AT LEAST for next season unless he gets injured again, which very well could happen. If we pass on Clowney or Barr, we would regret it trust me. How often do we pick top 5? How often does a player like Clowney come around? Not often. We can address the OL situation in round 2 if we're lucky enough Richardson/Jackson falls to us in the 2nd (we still will be picking high remember). Then sign a FA like Oher to play RT or Mack who would play C. There are tons of scenarios where we can fix the OL via FA/draft but we MUST take Clowney or Barr if they are there.


What happens if I dont want to trust you? If Clowney is available, id say we have to go with him, however its extremely unlikely that he is.

Baker doesnt impact what we do at tackle at all. if he plays well, then he can stay at left while whoever we draft either develops as a backup or plays on the right for a while. If he doesnt Baker can go to RT.
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