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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't see it with AJ honestly. He was the best WR prospect since Calvin imo, and Julio was not too far behind. Idk why you think AJ was raw coming out of Georgia, because he wasn't. To this day I have never seen a smoother route runner in college, and he has always had outstanding hands.

I don't doubt we have similar ratings, but I disagree with your assessment of AJ, that's all.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZ_Eaglesfan wrote:
I just don't see it with AJ honestly. He was the best WR prospect since Calvin imo, and Julio was not too far behind. Idk why you think AJ was raw coming out of Georgia, because he wasn't. To this day I have never seen a smoother route runner in college, and he has always had outstanding hands.

I don't doubt we have similar ratings, but I disagree with your assessment of AJ, that's all.



Where did I say he was raw? Don't put words in my mouth..


I said he's one of the best prospects I've scouted and I have Watkins a little ahead of him, that's all. Do you realize in your last sentence you literally repeated what I just said about him?
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I really don't see how Watkins is ahead of Green. I could see Julio ahead of AJ, but not Sammy
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really don't see how Watkins is ahead of Green. I could see Julio ahead of AJ, but not Sammy



Like I said it's close. Honestly, people are making a bigger deal about this than it has to be. Everyone's evaluations are going to be different. People are going to have different opinions, and I rarely miss on skill players(which is why that's what I focus on). There were people everywhere saying Julio was overrated and was just a product of Alabama and because he played with other good WR's he was able to not get doubled as often, etc, etc, was just an athlete playing WR might have trouble at the next level because his game speed looked slow etc etc, go back and look at his old scouting reports said he had suspect hands at stretches in games(and he did)Then he came out and went freakazoid at the combine and ran a 4.4/4.5, had a 38.5 inch vert, and a 11'3 in the broad jump the second highest ever recorded in combine history. Oh, and he did that with a BROKEN FOOT. Then he went from being one of the best WR prospects in the draft, to the undeniable de facto #1 WR and it wasn't even close, and if you picked anyone over him you would have been a straight idiot. AJ Green had a similar situation except he only ran a 4.5 flat, and jumped 34.5 which caused pundits be to be like "ehh", but you couldn't deny what you saw on tape and that was a dominant man with great hands. Unfortunately I wasn't active in this forum that year, but I was one of the few people touting those guys ALL YEAR in college. Combine production aside. I couldn't care less what they did at the combine, it was just a bonus, on tape they passed the test. Sammy's going to have similar measures to Julio Jones(except for probably the freakish broad jump), so his stock is going to have a rise similar to Julio's will, for those GM's who like athletes who are big yet run 4.4s and have good hands. So let me end this by saying again, and I repeat, AJ Green is one of the best WR prospects I've scouted since I started. People are forgetting his production in college and are getting lost with who he is as a player in the NFL. Both he and Julio have gotten 5x better having better QBs throw them the ball and being the focal point of each of their respective offenses. I always knew their game would translate to the NFL, and now 2 years after that draft I'm glad they are both in the top 10 as far as receivers go. I think Sammy has the "POTENTIAL" to also be in the top 10 in 2 years as well. That's why my opinion is what it is. You scout based of potential not off of production.
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FootballProdiG wrote:

Like I said it's close. Honestly, people are making a bigger deal about this than it has to be. Everyone's evaluations are going to be different. People are going to have different opinions, and I rarely miss on skill players(which is why that's what I focus on). There were people everywhere saying Julio was overrated and was just a product of Alabama and because he played with other good WR's he was able to not get doubled as often, etc, etc, was just an athlete playing WR might have trouble at the next level because his game speed looked slow etc etc, go back and look at his old scouting reports said he had suspect hands at stretches in games(and he did)Then he came out and went freakazoid at the combine and ran a 4.4/4.5, had a 38.5 inch vert, and a 11'3 in the broad jump the second highest ever recorded in combine history. Oh, and he did that with a BROKEN FOOT. Then he went from being one of the best WR prospects in the draft, to the undeniable de facto #1 WR and it wasn't even close, and if you picked anyone over him you would have been a straight idiot. AJ Green had a similar situation except he only ran a 4.5 flat, and jumped 34.5 which caused pundits be to be like "ehh", but you couldn't deny what you saw on tape and that was a dominant man with great hands. Unfortunately I wasn't active in this forum that year, but I was one of the few people touting those guys ALL YEAR in college. Combine production aside. I could care less what they did at the combine, it was just a bonus, on tape they passed the test. Sammy's going to have similar measures to Julio Jones(except for probably the freakish broad jump), so his stock is going to have a rise similar to Julio's will, for those GM's who like athletes who are big yet run 4.4s and have good hands. So let me end this by saying again, and I repeat, AJ Green is one of the best WR prospects I've scouted since I started. People are forgetting his production in college and are getting lost with who he is as a player in the NFL. Both he and Julio have gotten 5x better having better QBs throw them the ball and being the focal point of each of their respective offenses. I always knew their game would translate to the NFL, and now 2 years after that draft I'm glad they are both in the top 10 as far as receivers go. I think Sammy has the "POTENTIAL" to also be in the top 10 in 2 years as well. That's why my opinion is what it is. You scout based of potential not off of production.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are we talking about Sammy Watkins? We aren't drafting him. We're drafting Davante Adams. Get that through your skulls!
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IMO Chad Hall was a better prospect than both Watkins and AJ so we can just /end it there.
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IMO Chad Hall was a better prospect than both Watkins and AJ so we can just /end it there.

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FootballProdiG wrote:

Like I said it's close. Honestly, people are making a bigger deal about this than it has to be. Everyone's evaluations are going to be different. People are going to have different opinions, and I rarely miss on skill players(which is why that's what I focus on). There were people everywhere saying Julio was overrated and was just a product of Alabama and because he played with other good WR's he was able to not get doubled as often, etc, etc, was just an athlete playing WR might have trouble at the next level because his game speed looked slow etc etc, go back and look at his old scouting reports said he had suspect hands at stretches in games(and he did)Then he came out and went freakazoid at the combine and ran a 4.4/4.5, had a 38.5 inch vert, and a 11'3 in the broad jump the second highest ever recorded in combine history. Oh, and he did that with a BROKEN FOOT. Then he went from being one of the best WR prospects in the draft, to the undeniable de facto #1 WR and it wasn't even close, and if you picked anyone over him you would have been a straight idiot. AJ Green had a similar situation except he only ran a 4.5 flat, and jumped 34.5 which caused pundits be to be like "ehh", but you couldn't deny what you saw on tape and that was a dominant man with great hands. Unfortunately I wasn't active in this forum that year, but I was one of the few people touting those guys ALL YEAR in college. Combine production aside. I could care less what they did at the combine, it was just a bonus, on tape they passed the test. Sammy's going to have similar measures to Julio Jones(except for probably the freakish broad jump), so his stock is going to have a rise similar to Julio's will, for those GM's who like athletes who are big yet run 4.4s and have good hands. So let me end this by saying again, and I repeat, AJ Green is one of the best WR prospects I've scouted since I started. People are forgetting his production in college and are getting lost with who he is as a player in the NFL. Both he and Julio have gotten 5x better having better QBs throw them the ball and being the focal point of each of their respective offenses. I always knew their game would translate to the NFL, and now 2 years after that draft I'm glad they are both in the top 10 as far as receivers go. I think Sammy has the "POTENTIAL" to also be in the top 10 in 2 years as well. That's why my opinion is what it is. You scout based of potential not off of production.


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Anyone here be mad if the Eagles traded Foles for a top 10 pick the drafted Johnny Football with the 32nd pick?
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Anyone here be mad if the Eagles traded Foles for a top 10 pick the drafted Johnny Football with the 32nd pick?




Is this supposed to be a joke? Cause I'm not laughing.
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No?

Would you not trust Chip?
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No?

Would you not trust Chip?
I trust Chip. With my life, and my girl naked on his couch with me across the country.

Two things: 1 - Nick Foles is on fire and deserves a chance to go into 2014 as the guy at QB

2 - Manziel is unreliable, has bad mechanics, is tiny, reminds me too much of a right handed Vick, and is immature. I want nothing to do with him, at all.
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I trust Chip. With my life, and my girl naked on his couch with me across the country.

Two things: 1 - Nick Foles is on fire and deserves a chance to go into 2014 as the guy at QB

2 - Manziel is unreliable, has bad mechanics, is tiny, reminds me too much of a right handed Vick, and is immature. I want nothing to do with him, at all.
All those, make me ask if you'd be mad. Foles is on "fire". Which is why I said if Eagles are given a top 10 pick.

Would you trust Chip's evaluation of Johnny and be happy he got his guy? Would you be disappoint but go along with it cuz you trust Chip? Be mad and struggle to be an Eagles fan? Call for Chip's head cuz Foles is a god?
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skatebeanz wrote:
Anyone here be mad if the Eagles traded Foles for a top 10 pick the drafted Johnny Football with the 32nd pick?






That would be the worst move ever (though it would most likely get Howie out of Philly)
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