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Vino


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.Buzz wrote:
I wouldn't be, if we do take Mariota they obviously are confident that we can coach him up and he will work well here. I would be ecstatic to come out of the draft with any of Teddy/Mariota/Clowney/Barr to be honest, I like all of them a lot and think any one of them would be serious building blocks (Teddy overall though obviously).

We don't need to draft a QB we have to develop or would take a year before they're ready to start, which would be the case with Mariota, and you're taking a chance he can develop into a QB worth the pick you spent on him at all. Unlike Bridgewater, Clowney, and Barr, Mariota is not a sure thing...at all. Mariota also clearly doesn't fit Jedd Fisch's offense.

With Clowney, as long as they put someone else on the D-Line who could give a little help so teams can't do stuff like game plan/run away from and double team him, you'd basically be taking away one entire side of the field and like 40% of a team's playbook. We'd immediately go from being a mediocre D-Line to possibly one of the best in the league. The only player in this draft worth giving that up for us is Bridgewater.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: How would we do next year if.... Reply with quote

Vino wrote:
We didn't manage to draft a game changing QB and got Clowney with the second pick, drafted a project QB in the second round, drafted a OG in the third round and a C and RB in the fourth round, and used the rest of the picks on cornerbacks, linebacker, and DT?

You think we'd still be bad enough to get the number 1 pick next year and have a chance at Winston if he comes out?


1)Alone, this might keep this team bad enough to be in the running for Winston. However......
2)Should Winston not declare, this team is royally screwed because two years of solid drafting from this point should put this team out of the running for #1 overall. Additionally, playing the game of "Let's look 2 drafts ahead and plan accordingly" is a stupid game to play given the overall parity and unpredictability each and every week within the NFL.
3)Jags are very unlikely to play the game and will likely improve the team more through FA than we might expect, which in turn could(although still very possibly won't) very well put this team out of the running for 2015 #1 overall.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vino wrote:
That's not necessarily the case. We're going to have a bunch of young guys on both sides of the ball with the only exceptional talents being possibly Clowney and Blackmon if he comes back. Still having a mediocre QB at the helm could poison the team at that point.
It is the case though. Yes, the team will be young, but the run game will be improved, the interior o-line will be better, the secondary will be more consistent (possibly better as well), and the front 7 will have major help. Even if these things aren't major improvements, and I'm not expecting them to be, they're going to be enough to get us a couple wins. The team won't be playing a brutal schedule against the NFC and AFC West and will be able to steal a couple games against mediocre teams. I would bet a significant amount of money that if this scenario played out, that this team wouldn't be #1 pick bad.

I'm not sure that any team in NFL history has ever had three straight years picking top 2. And that's because it's ridiculously hard to be that bad for that long, especially if you have someone like Dave Caldwell who appears to actually be competent as a GM. You just can't be that bad for that long with competent coaching and personnel management. Even the Lions, who were far worse off than us, were unable to string together three years that bad. In 2010, when they went 6-10 and pulled themselves out, they started their new QB in 3 games, with a 1-2 record, so it wasn't the new QB that got them there. It's just impossible to do that for that long.
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