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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
Are you guys particularly happy with your OC or would you like to see a change there?


I think a lot of us did not have high hopes for Shula heading into the season, but he's called a lot of good games. I would be hard pressed to move away from him as Cam appears to have taken that next step under him.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boondock wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
Are you guys particularly happy with your OC or would you like to see a change there?


I think a lot of us did not have high hopes for Shula heading into the season, but he's called a lot of good games. I would be hard pressed to move away from him as Cam appears to have taken that next step under him.


Couldn't agree more. We were very worried about a "vanilla" approach to the offense, especially after the preseason. However it appears that Shula has slowly integrated more and more complex tweeks to the offense as Cam has gained experience. It would not be a good move to start from scratch with a new OC.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i could go for a more consistent running and less cutesy OC. i also don't like the long developing downfield passing game. especially when you don't have those type of athletes at the WR position. also desperately need WR help. not sure about the guard depth since they hardly played this year but they struggled running the ball in the second half. never been comfortable with bell at tackle. gettlemagic did great last off season and set the bar pretty high for next year. i EXPECT playoffs
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted this mock at another forum today and will re-post it here. I'm including a Greg Hardy trade here as I think that's what we'll end up doing - a franchise + trade. I don't see a team that looks likely to give up a 1st rounder that's not picking top-10 and since that seems unlikely, I gave us a 2nd rounder for him from Oakland. It's possible we'd get a future 2nd as well, but for this mock we have an extra 2nd.

Also, I'm not clear what the deal is with the Beason pick since it was conditional. I included it here, but I may be wrong there. Anyway, here it is:

1st: Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt: It seems increasingly unlikely that we'll end up with a shot at Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, or Kelvin Benjamin, who I expect to rise pre-draft. That said, Jordan Matthews is the most NFL-ready WR we can realistically expect to take at the end of the 1st round. He may never be Megatron, but he will be a very productive NFL wideout, IMO.

2nd (f/OAK): Cyril Richardson, OG/OT, Baylor: I'll preface this by saying that I think we'll re-sign Jordan Gross to a short-term deal to shore up the LT spot while we fill other needs. I am and have been very high on Richardson. He's better suited to play guard, IMO, but also has potential at right tackle. This means he can be plugged in at right guard or replace Byron Bell at right tackle. Either way, instant upgrade along the OL.

2nd: Lache Seastrunk, RB, Baylor: Surprised? You shouldn't be. As unbelievable as it seems given the sheer amount of money we've sunk into this position, RB is now a need. Stewart can't stay healthy, DeAngelo is getting older and is not the back he once was, and one or both could be released anyway. I really like Lache Seastrunk. Baylor has a recent history of sending quality players to the NFL and if Seastrunk is available this late, I'd take him in a second.

3rd: Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon State: I don't see Gettleman investing in a corner until around this point and Reynolds is a guy I think really fits our style on defense. He may never be a shutdown corner, but he'll be a quality nickel guy and that's important in today's NFL.

4th: Ben Gardner, DE, Stanford: OK, so we've traded the Kraken and need to add some depth at DE. I assume Addison would take over for him as the starter, but we need to look for someone who has big upside in the mid-rounds and Gardner is that guy. If not for his injury he'd probably be going a lot higher.

5th: Isaiah Lewis, SS, Michigan State: I think we'll bring back Mitchell, but Mikell is likely gone and Robert Lester could use some competition. Enter Isaiah Lewis. If nothing else I feel like he'd be good depth if Lester ends up taking hold of the starting gig.

6th: Alex Bullard, OG/C, Tennessee: We can always use depth on the OL and Bullard could play either guard or center. If we don't re-sign Jeff Byers we'll need someone who can backup Ryan Kalil.

7th (f/NYG): Preston Brown, LB, Louisville: More linebacker depth. I figure between him and A.J. Klein we'll have some quality depth and special teams players and in the 7th round what else can you realistically expect?

7th: Chris Coyle, TE, Arizona State: A project player here who could potentially play WR or TE depending on his weight. I think he could be a good role player to have around as a receiving TE personally.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the top OT's are gone what do you think of David Yankey in the first, or is that to high for him. Do you think front office is happy with Edwin coming back Yankee can also play tackle. Very good in both mauling for run and pass blocking. Should be NFL ready to start coming out of Stanford.

Or if someone is wanting to get back into the first round to grab someone trade back into the 2nd and pick up extra pick and then try to get him.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnydtarheel wrote:
If the top OT's are gone what do you think of David Yankey in the first, or is that to high for him. Do you think front office is happy with Edwin coming back Yankee can also play tackle. Very good in both mauling for run and pass blocking. Should be NFL ready to start coming out of Stanford.

Or if someone is wanting to get back into the first round to grab someone trade back into the 2nd and pick up extra pick and then try to get him.


There's quiet a few teams with multiple 2nd round picks and I don't think that the drop off between where we are picking in the mid-2nd is going to be huge at all, moving back would be ideal for us. I do like David Yankey would be escatic to pick him up to compete for one of the OG posistions.

The only thing about moving back into the 2nd is I feel the top tier of WR ends at the end of the 1st round with guys like Allen Robinson and Jordan Matthews. We would have look at guys in the 2nd like Beckham, Cooks, or Coleman.

Back to OL, If they cannot work something out with Gross or even if they can, I would love for us to make a run at Jared Veldheer as our LT of the future. Gross can always play RT while we solidify the interior, then make RT a priority next offseason.
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i expect to definately get an olinemen in the draft. Gettlemen said the remaining teams all had one thing in common. They all had a bunch of Hogmollies. Its true, we arent good in that category.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's everyone's feelings on Brandon Cooks, WR, Oregon St.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfJvQEYRJsw

He's the Balitnikoff winner, got pretty much everything you would want in a receiver, except his height (5-9), and is projected as a late first rounder.

For some reason I have a gut feeling that he will be one of our top prospects come April. Remember that we were very high on Tavon Austin, who Cooks is very similar to. Unless someone drops for some reason, I would not be upset with taking him, hopefully along with a possession receiver later. (Donte Moncrief?)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see Cooks as a #1.

Give me Kelvin, please.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panthers11 wrote:
I don't see Cooks as a #1.

Give me Kelvin, please.



I see a lot of Dwayne Jarrett in him, change my mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TROJANPANTHER wrote:
Panthers11 wrote:
I don't see Cooks as a #1.

Give me Kelvin, please.



I see a lot of Dwayne Jarrett in him, change my mind.


I understand your concerns. I see Alshon Jeffery in him.
And Cam needs a big target, not another Smith.
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WR is going to be a tricky spot to pick. Outside of Watkins/Evans/Lee, I feel like pretty much everyone is either a huge project, or a finished product with a much lower ceiling.

If we want a long-term #1, its obvious which way to go. But if we are expecting good production right away, we go the other way.

Right now, as far as value goes, I don't like anyone other than the three I mentioned at the start in the first round. And its very unlikely that any will be there.

Here are some guys I like outside of the first round:

2nd/3rd:

Davante Adams-Fresno State
Allen Robinson-Penn State
Brandon Coleman-Rutgers
Jarvis Landry-LSU
Odell Beckham-LSU
Mike Davis-Texas
Shaq Evans-UCLA

4th/5th:

Martavis Bryant-Clemson
Cody Hoffman-BYU
Cody Latimer-Indiana
Matt Hazel-Coastal Carolina
L'Damian Washington-Missouri

If we pick up one from each list, I think it really solidifies the position. If we really want to load up on playmakers, we take a TE (Jace Amaro or ASJ) in the first, along with a receiver in the 2nd and 4th. Go with a RT in the 3rd, CB in the 5th (I'm thinking Morgan Moses and Pierre Desir), and boom, Super Bowl here we come Smile
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james.mcmurry13 wrote:
WR is going to be a tricky spot to pick. Outside of Watkins/Evans/Lee, I feel like pretty much everyone is either a huge project, or a finished product with a much lower ceiling.

If we want a long-term #1, its obvious which way to go. But if we are expecting good production right away, we go the other way.

Right now, as far as value goes, I don't like anyone other than the three I mentioned at the start in the first round. And its very unlikely that any will be there.

Here are some guys I like outside of the first round:

2nd/3rd:

Davante Adams-Fresno State
Allen Robinson-Penn State

Brandon Coleman-Rutgers
Jarvis Landry-LSU
Odell Beckham-LSU
Mike Davis-Texas
Shaq Evans-UCLA

4th/5th:

Martavis Bryant-Clemson
Cody Hoffman-BYU
Cody Latimer-Indiana
Matt Hazel-Coastal Carolina
L'Damian Washington-Missouri

If we pick up one from each list, I think it really solidifies the position. If we really want to load up on playmakers, we take a TE (Jace Amaro or ASJ) in the first, along with a receiver in the 2nd and 4th. Go with a RT in the 3rd, CB in the 5th (I'm thinking Morgan Moses and Pierre Desir), and boom, Super Bowl here we come Smile


I think these guys could sneak into the first, or at least high second. But, I agree with you. If we can get a rangey TE like ASJ or Amaro, a deep threat like Devante Adams, and a big receiver in a later round then I think this offense will have a major turnaround
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FriendlyEnemy wrote:
I think these guys could sneak into the first, or at least high second. But, I agree with you. If we can get a rangey TE like ASJ or Amaro, a deep threat like Devante Adams, and a big receiver in a later round then I think this offense will have a major turnaround


Yeah, several of the guys I have in the first list have a good chance to come off the board far before our 2nd round pick (60th overall, I believe), those are just some guys I'd love to get if they could make it there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

james.mcmurry13 wrote:
WR is going to be a tricky spot to pick. Outside of Watkins/Evans/Lee, I feel like pretty much everyone is either a huge project, or a finished product with a much lower ceiling.

If we want a long-term #1, its obvious which way to go. But if we are expecting good production right away, we go the other way.

Right now, as far as value goes, I don't like anyone other than the three I mentioned at the start in the first round. And its very unlikely that any will be there.

Here are some guys I like outside of the first round:

2nd/3rd:

Davante Adams-Fresno State
Allen Robinson-Penn State
Brandon Coleman-Rutgers
Jarvis Landry-LSU
Odell Beckham-LSU
Mike Davis-Texas
Shaq Evans-UCLA

4th/5th:

Martavis Bryant-Clemson
Cody Hoffman-BYU
Cody Latimer-Indiana
Matt Hazel-Coastal Carolina
L'Damian Washington-Missouri

If we pick up one from each list, I think it really solidifies the position. If we really want to load up on playmakers, we take a TE (Jace Amaro or ASJ) in the first, along with a receiver in the 2nd and 4th. Go with a RT in the 3rd, CB in the 5th (I'm thinking Morgan Moses and Pierre Desir), and boom, Super Bowl here we come Smile


This. If no big name of these three really drop to us, I don't think we should reach on a #2 receiver in the NFL, we go through FA to solve that problem and beef up the Oline
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