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turtle28


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I told everyone, Hank would catch 52 passes for 675 yds and 5 tds before the season, everyone would take it!

End of discussion


Sure...but he isn't so where's the beginning of that discussion...?
wait and see. The last 2 games he has 10 receptions, 116 yds. He keeps doing that, he'll 54 receptions and 776 yds actually

Certainly fine for a wr in his first year starting and with a qb who's been erratic and locks on to his #1wr and TE too much
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its not even that we lost to the Vikings, they're not a bad club. They've just been poor this year with QB play.

The problem is how we lost. Same problems all the time. Team's gonna start turning soon.


no offense they are a pretty terrible club that was missing quite a few starters tonight.


No team that has AP can be a terrible team. They contained their best player. And the defense still has Kevin Williams and Jared Allen. Its not like giving the Jag's their first win.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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dante9876 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Its not even that we lost to the Vikings, they're not a bad club. They've just been poor this year with QB play.

The problem is how we lost. Same problems all the time. Team's gonna start turning soon.


no offense they are a pretty terrible club that was missing quite a few starters tonight.


No team that has AP can be a terrible team. They contained their best player. And the defense still has Kevin Williams and Jared Allen. Its not like giving the Jag's their first win.
they also have a lot of talent at wr
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian23 wrote:
dante9876 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Its not even that we lost to the Vikings, they're not a bad club. They've just been poor this year with QB play.

The problem is how we lost. Same problems all the time. Team's gonna start turning soon.


no offense they are a pretty terrible club that was missing quite a few starters tonight.


No team that has AP can be a terrible team. They contained their best player. And the defense still has Kevin Williams and Jared Allen. Its not like giving the Jag's their first win.


I can name a few a good players on every team except jags. The fact that you had to use one of the worse teama ever to base it off tells u how bad vikings. Vikings have a top 5 pick coming.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dante9876 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
dante9876 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Its not even that we lost to the Vikings, they're not a bad club. They've just been poor this year with QB play.

The problem is how we lost. Same problems all the time. Team's gonna start turning soon.


no offense they are a pretty terrible club that was missing quite a few starters tonight.


No team that has AP can be a terrible team. They contained their best player. And the defense still has Kevin Williams and Jared Allen. Its not like giving the Jag's their first win.


I can name a few a good players on every team except jags. The fact that you had to use one of the worse teama ever to base it off tells u how bad vikings. Vikings have a top 5 pick coming.


They've been close in every game but 2. They're not a great team, but they're not the worst team in the world like you're trying to paint them out out to be.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
dante9876 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Its not even that we lost to the Vikings, they're not a bad club. They've just been poor this year with QB play.

The problem is how we lost. Same problems all the time. Team's gonna start turning soon.


no offense they are a pretty terrible club that was missing quite a few starters tonight.


No team that has AP can be a terrible team. They contained their best player. And the defense still has Kevin Williams and Jared Allen. Its not like giving the Jag's their first win.
they also have a lot of talent at wr


I would honestly take reed garcon and hankerson over carlson jennings and the rookie/simpson.
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Brian23 wrote:
dante9876 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
dante9876 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Its not even that we lost to the Vikings, they're not a bad club. They've just been poor this year with QB play.

The problem is how we lost. Same problems all the time. Team's gonna start turning soon.


no offense they are a pretty terrible club that was missing quite a few starters tonight.


No team that has AP can be a terrible team. They contained their best player. And the defense still has Kevin Williams and Jared Allen. Its not like giving the Jag's their first win.


I can name a few a good players on every team except jags. The fact that you had to use one of the worse teama ever to base it off tells u how bad vikings. Vikings have a top 5 pick coming.


They've been close in every game but 2. They're not a great team, but they're not the worst team in the world like you're trying to paint them out out to be.


they are a bad team. How am im trying to paint them like anything. They are a bad team who had 1 win vs another very bad team until tonight. Dallas been close in all their games thos year but they are still an average team, maybe slightly above average.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huge backward step on the defensive side. All said and done, I had a feeling this game was going to be "one of those" when we couldn't get a TD on the first drive from 1st and goal from the one.

BTW redksins 8 penalties, vikings 1. The cherry on the top was the hold on Reed and the non call. No way a team can win close matches when the refs are that blatant one sided. We shouldn't have been in that position I know, but then again i thought the rules are for both teams on the field.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got home from the game tonight. Was a hard fought battle, and unfortunately didn't go our way in the end. There were some good things, and obviously some bad that happened during the game.

First off, we had some guys play very well on offense. RG3, Morris, Garcon, and Reed. Those guys made plays for us all game.

What really was terrible was our playcalling inside the Vikings 5 yards line. On the first possession we called two pass plays and one run play AT THE 1 YARD LINE. What is that? Our strength is running the ball, we have an absolute beast in Alfred Morris why not give him more than 1 chance at the 1 yard line to get in, or call a run with RG3/Young. That said, we really should have scored a TD on the first drive despite the questionable playcalls. Logan Paulson has had multiple drops in the endzone now this season, and his drop today in the first drive cost us 4 points to start the game.

Even worse...what was K. Shanahan thinking on the last drive when we got inside the 5? Why would we try a fade on 4th down, we just aren't effective with that route...how many times have we been able to successfully execute a fade in a game this season?

Our pass protection looks even worse in person than it does on TV. From where I was sitting you could see the pocket collapse immediately far too often/the defense in RG3's face before he could even make a read on some plays. RG3's ability to make some throws without being able to step into them impressed me today (Prime example his TD to Jordan Reed). This reaffirmed my stance that O-line is by far our biggest need in the offseason. It wasn't as bad in the first half, but in the second half it seemed like RG3 couldn't step up in the pocket at all without having a guy in his face. Bootlegs are next to impossible to execute with our line since their is 1-2 guys in RG3's face immediately when he rolls out almost every time.

We did a decent job containing Peterson outside of his big TD run. He only had a few plays where he had any room to really run the whole game, so minus that TD he was mostly held in check, which is the most you can hope for with a guy like AP.

Our secondary really didn't make many plays for us tonight. Outside of the terrible throw by Ponder to start the game, we didn't do a great job in the secondary tonight. Part of that may have had to do with us focusing on stopping Peterson, but our D made Ponder look like a much better player than he really is. Wilson definitely doesn't need to be here next season.

Just for fun since people have been very critical of RG3 this year...here is what RG3 has done in the last 5 games since our bye week:

1248 pass yards (250 yards per game)

6 TD's (We have had tons of rushing TD's once we get inside the redzone in this 5 game span, so this number doesn't fully represent how successful the offense has been with RG3)

5 INT's (This includes the 2 INT's where Moss slipped in the endzone, and Garcon slipped in his route.)

229 rush yards (46 yards per game)

296 total yards per game

These stats include the terrible game he had against Denver. In his 4 games outside of that bad outing he has had the following stats since the bye week:

1116 pass yards (279 yards per game)

5 TD's (Tons of rushing TD's by our RB's in these games)

3 INT's (Includes the Santana Moss one where he slipped in endzone)

222 rush yards (56 yards per game)

335 total yards per game

Putting up these numbers as the youngest starting QB in the league is very impressive. Our expectations are ridiculous if we think he is playing badly for where he is in his career. I get that expectations were set high after last year, but all things considered, I'm extremely impressed with what he has been able to do. Obviously he has things he can improve on, but he is just a 2nd year QB lets give him some time before we question his talent. This isn't even factoring that his pass protection is very shaky, and he is rehabbing from a huge knee surgery, which in itself is crazy that he is able to produce like he has without any offseason work to speak of.

Hopefully the Cowboys lose to the Saints so we still have some hope of making the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect balance, 36 runs 37 passes, Time of possession 36 mins vs. 24 mins, and no turnovers !! We won right ? !! Crying or Very sad
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Perfect balance, 36 runs 37 passes, Time of possession 36 mins vs. 24 mins, and no turnovers !! We won right ? !! Crying or Very sad
Offense also put up 27 points. The defense lost this game.
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First of all, Leonard Hankerson should be far more progressed than he is at this point. I am glad that he has reduced his drops and is making more plays, but he DOES need to be more consistent.

There are in fact players that have or at least should have seen their last game in a Redskins uniform.

Fletcher
Moss
Biggers
Davis
Grossman
Polumbus
Lichtensteiger
Montgomery
Chester

(thats right, just about the entire offensive line)
Rocca
Forbath

(yes, Forbath, if you can not kick the ball out of the endzone and have to resort to squib kicks, you should be gone)

I think that Hall deserves a new contract. Nothing over the top, but substantial, cause he has earned it.

Fire Haslett.

Fire Shanahan.

Fire ST Coach.
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MKnight82 wrote:
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Perfect balance, 36 runs 37 passes, Time of possession 36 mins vs. 24 mins, and no turnovers !! We won right ? !! Crying or Very sad
Offense also put up 27 points. The defense lost this game.


YEP, awful defense ,, we need two D E's, Two ILB's and a safety
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MKnight82 wrote:
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Perfect balance, 36 runs 37 passes, Time of possession 36 mins vs. 24 mins, and no turnovers !! We won right ? !! Crying or Very sad
Offense also put up 27 points. The defense lost this game.


YEP, awful defense ,, we need two D E's, Two ILB's and a safety
I think Riley can be a good #2 ILB. We need to acquire a stud to play next to him.
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Fire Jim Haslett! My god how long are they going to let this go on?
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