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ChiBear


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutler has never earned his pay and has been living off potential way too long. His number look just decent to me but he is i believe in the middle of the pack for qb rating. He has yet thrown a td in 2nd and 3rd quarter. Most if his better numbers come in the 4th quarter. So i am all for letting him go and sign a 2-3 round qb and depending on what Josh does these next few games, We might just sign him in the interim.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with everyone that says we need to focus on defense. I'm all for a 3rd or 4th round qb, but no way a 1st or second IMO
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
I would be okay with it.

The only position that truly matter is QB and if the Bears want to give themselves options and make sure they have the best possible player at the position.
The biggest part though is who is worth the pick. Bridgewater is gone. Maybe Hundley or Bortles if they declare. Mariotta would probably be gone. Mettenberger maybe. To early for McCarron, Morris or Boyd?


I want Trestman to draft the guy he thinks he can turn into and elite player.

If that guy is Bortles or Hundley in the 1st I want us to get that guy into the system.

I still want Cutler to start for us, but we finally have a QB coach we should get him the guy he wants while we give Cutler a year or two to win.

It won't be a waste of a 1st round pick if we have a guy to transition and take over from Cutler down the road.


That was my answer, word for word. Obviously no one knows his system better than he does, and he and Kromer will have a season of data to look up to see where their plays attacked most, where there were flaws, etc, so they will be able to see what they need to look for. I would add that I would like to have a QB with some mobility. I'm not saying go for a Pryor or anything, but look how much it can help to have a QB mobile enough to get out and scramble for 5-10 yards 1-2 times a game. Jay has done it several times and look how many times we have seen Rodgers do it to extend plays or just get a first down. If we had a very slow, but accurate pocket QB I would be fine, but I just enjoy having that extra dimension to aid the offense.


ChiBear wrote:
Cutler has never earned his pay and has been living off potential way too long. His number look just decent to me but he is i believe in the middle of the pack for qb rating. He has yet thrown a td in 2nd and 3rd quarter. Most if his better numbers come in the 4th quarter. So i am all for letting him go and sign a 2-3 round qb and depending on what Josh does these next few games, We might just sign him in the interim.


In all fairness, until last year his WR corps was a bottom 3 group. No one would have been dominant with that offensive void around them. Look at how Brady performed most of the season when he lost Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez, and that was with a better OL and OC than Cutler has had until this year, and Brady has been in that system for more than a year so he knows the ins and outs of it. Statistically Cutler outperformed Brady for most of the year, and I doubt any of us would say Jay is near as good at Brady.

Jay didn't ride off his potential, the Bears wasted it with inept coaching and college level talent.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Marriota is somehow still there when we draft, then yes, draft him and have a QB in rnd 1. I don't see him staying in play beyond the like 6 teams that desperately need a franchise QB, however... or especially beyond Philly/Chip Kelly. Literally isn't a single QB better suited to run Chip's system.

Else.... I'm positive that we could find a defensive player-improvement that the pick would arguably be better spent on....

Also, and coincidentally, Marriota is thus far the only QB I see out of this draft class that would make me consider NOT resigning Cutler, which really kind of sucks, Jay is going to eat up a crapload of $$$$ that is going to cost us a ton of talent somewhere else

In summary:

98% chance we resign Cutler and draft a defensive monster in 1.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epyon wrote:
If Marriota is somehow still there when we draft, then yes, draft him and have a QB in rnd 1. I don't see him staying in play beyond the like 6 teams that desperately need a franchise QB, however... or especially beyond Philly/Chip Kelly. Literally isn't a single QB better suited to run Chip's system.

Else.... I'm positive that we could find a defensive player-improvement that the pick would arguably be better spent on....

Also, and coincidentally, Marriota is thus far the only QB I see out of this draft class that would make me consider NOT resigning Cutler, which really kind of sucks, Jay is going to eat up a crapload of $$$$ that is going to cost us a ton of talent somewhere else

In summary:

98% chance we resign Cutler and draft a defensive monster in 1.

I don't see any way at all that Philly wouldn't draft Mariotta ahead of us (where I think they'll be picking) in spite of Foles' outburst Sunday.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody like AJ McCarron here, second or third round?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMike84 wrote:
Anybody like AJ McCarron here, second or third round?
I do. Hard evaluation since he's had a pretty easy gig at Alabama.
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DaMike wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
Anybody like AJ McCarron here, second or third round?
I do. Hard evaluation since he's had a pretty easy gig at Alabama.

Hard evaluation, and he probably needs more work than some of the other prospects to be successful at the NFL level, but a lot of pluses:
*Plays in a pro-style offense
*Takes good care of the ball (65 TD/11 INT, over 65% completion)
*Has faced SEC-caliber competition and has played in big games
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they aren't first round talent, they are essentially a waste of a draft pick, statistically.


http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/10/24/5022068/the-myth-of-grooming-a-qb-from-the-draft
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChiBear wrote:
Cutler has never earned his pay and has been living off potential way too long. His number look just decent to me but he is i believe in the middle of the pack for qb rating. He has yet thrown a td in 2nd and 3rd quarter. Most if his better numbers come in the 4th quarter. So i am all for letting him go and sign a 2-3 round qb and depending on what Josh does these next few games, We might just sign him in the interim.


The Bears, more than any other team, like to tinker with the QB position. Drafting a future franchise player in mid first round Spring 2014? Sounds like a bad idea. This is how it starts.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epyon wrote:
If they aren't first round talent, they are essentially a waste of a draft pick, statistically.


http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/10/24/5022068/the-myth-of-grooming-a-qb-from-the-draft



But, Rodgers. And Brady. And Trestman.

Your arguments are invalid.


In all seriousness, good find. I agree 100% with this. Drafting a QB is playing the lottery, I don't care who your coach is. Some sure fire talent comes around every once in a while, but the Bears are never going to be in contention for one of those picks, thankfully.
Even if you spend a 1st on a QB, if that pick doesn't pan out, meaning he can't play, your season is hosed. If you miss on a DL pick, well, you don't play that guy. It is much harder to play a different QB, considering many teams do not have a single quality starter, let alone two.
I also don't get why everyone just assumes Cutler is going to get some monster contract. Because Jerry Jones is a fool, everyone is going to have to follow suit?
How you can watch the team this year and think QB is our biggest need is beyond me. We can win with this offense. We need a defense, and your defense is only as good as your defensive line.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMike84 wrote:
Anybody like AJ McCarron here, second or third round?

It wouldn't be the sexy pick by any means and I'm not even a McCarron advocate, but now that you mention it.... He seems like the PERFECT QB for Marc Trestman, not necessarily because I think he could excel in the WCO, but his style of play I think would gel perfectly with what Tresty is looking to do on offense.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChiBear wrote:
Cutler has never earned his pay and has been living off potential way too long. His number look just decent to me but he is i believe in the middle of the pack for qb rating. He has yet thrown a td in 2nd and 3rd quarter. Most if his better numbers come in the 4th quarter. So i am all for letting him go and sign a 2-3 round qb and depending on what Josh does these next few games, We might just sign him in the interim.
Cutler was brought into an impossible situation, one in which Tom Brady would have failed. He has definitely earned his money just by surviving. It is only a question for the idiot media and fans who are not clear on what is involved in being a Bears qb. Cutler will almost certainly (95% chance) that he will be back next year and probably about 85% that he will be a long term signee. All calculations are pulled freshly out of my butt, an authoritative butt, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: If the Bears drafted a QB in the 1st round I would be .. Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
Even Jeff Dickerson has been talking about how he gets the feeling that this is the year that the Bears draft a QB high.

What would your reaction be if the Bears drafted a QB in the 1st round?
My feeling is Dickerson's feeling is wrong, probably just indigestion.
My reaction to a first round pick for qb would be that Emery was drugged before the draft. Almost NO chance of that happening unless Bridgewater drops about 20 spots.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugashane wrote:


Jay didn't ride off his potential, the Bears wasted it with inept coaching and college level talent.
Give this man a cigar.
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