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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Patriot players suck and make a decent paycheck? Of course the number is high, the Patriots best players, which were being discussed, make the most money on the team.

Anyway, that was just for players on IR. It's a stupid argument. The Patriots have been just as hurt, if not more injured, as every other team in the league. Why if the difference is so small, why are we arguing it?
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I guess let's play - Packers:

LT Bryan Bulaga (16 games)
WR Randall Cobb (8 games)
TE Jermichael Finley (10 games presumably)
OLB Clay Matthews (5 games)
CB Casey Hayward (8 games)
ILB Brad Jones (4 games)
WR James Jones (2-3 games)
RB DaJuan Harris (16 games)
RB Eddie Lacy (2 games)
RB James Starks (3 games)
OLB Nick Perry (2-3 games)

And recent high draft picks:
Derek Sherrod (9+ games)
Jerel Worthy (9+ games)

I guess we're fortunate that some of these guys have shots to return by the end of the season, but we know the injury train won't stop here, so who knows whose next on the hit list. May have missed a couple here and there and I know at one point we were at risk of not even having 46 healthy bodies for game day.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Let's just settle this objectively. Prior to this weekend (and Vollmer's injury), the Pats led the NFL with over $20M in cap hits on IR. Vollmer is another $3M. My guess is that they're still leading in that category.

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You can't actually believe that your stat is an objective measure of quality lost to injuries on the season, can you? Please say no.

How about this scenario, the Ravens lose the following guys to IR:
1. Joe Flacco- $6,800,000
2. Ray Rice- $5,750,000
3. Elvis Dumervil- $2,500,000
4. Dennis Pitta- $2,023,000
5. Art Jones- $2,023,000
6. Vonta Leach- $1,470,000
7. Daryl Smith- $1,125,000
8. Torrey Smith- $924,336
9. Eugene Monroe- $546,765
10. Justin Tucker- $480,000

Yet, they're combined cap hit would be $22.64m and therefore they wouldn't have lost as much quality as the Patriots, right?

I mean, objectively speaking they would have lost their starting QB, RB, FB, TE, WR, LT, DE, OLB, ILB, and K... yet it still pails in comparison to the Patriots losses to IR, objectively speaking...

Sounds legit.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

San Diego:
Danario Alexander (Out for the Season; never played a game in 2013) - Would have been starting WR
Steve Williams (Out for the Season; never played a game in 2013) - Likely would have opened the season as 1st choice nickel back and given other injuries to the DB's would have started at least 2 games by now
Jonas Mouton (Out for the Season; never played a game in 2013) - 2nd string ILB
Dwight Freeney (Out for the Season; played 4 games) - Starting OLB
Mike Harris (Out for the Season; played 4 games) - Swing OT (started games at both LT and RT this season)
Malcom Floyd (Out for the Season; played 2 games) - Starting WR
Byron Jerideau (Out for the Season; played the preseason) - 2nd string NT
Melvin Ingram (Been on the PUP since mini-camps; may return this season, but coming off a torn ACL) - Would have been starting OLB
Chad Rinehart (Out since Week 3) - Starting LG
King Dunlap (Missed 2 games) - Starting LT
Donald Butler (Missed 3 games) - Starting ILB (1 of 2 defensive captains; headset)
Manti Te'o (Missed 3 games) - Starting ILB
Shareece Wright (Missed 3 games) - Starting CB
Jarret Johnson (Missed 1 game) - Starting OLB
Brandon Taylor (Yet to be activated for a game-day roster; coming off ACL tear from Week 17 of last season) - Would have been starting SS
Jeromey Clary (Missed 1 game) - Starting RG

It's only $9m in cap hit on the IR, but at some point quantity takes a larger toll than quality in terms of loss.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troy Brown wrote:
What Patriot players suck and make a decent paycheck?
Logan Mankins is quickly approaching that level.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we actually having a debate about which team is the most ravaged by injuries??
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I'm in on this:

Atlanta Falcons:

WR Julio Jones (out for season)
WR Roddy White (played as decoy first few games, did nothting, actually got injured)
RB Steven Jackson (injured in first game, played this week, ineffective)
RB Jason Snelling (co-starter through first few games, concussion)
TE Chase Coffman (projected #2 TE)
LT Sam Baker (has been injured since pre-season, injury brought down play, has been out last four games)
RT Mike Johnson (projected starter, injured in preseason, forced us to sign Jeremy Trueblood, who sucks)


DE/OLB Kroy Biermann (out for season, was really coming into his own)
OLB Sean Weahterspoon (out since Week 2, until at least Week 11)
MLB Akeem Dent (out since Week 3, no timetable it seems)
LB Stephen Nicholas
DT Corey Peters (was injured, played through, though)
CB Asante Samuel (missed multiple games with injury)
CB Robert Mcclain (missed a game or two, IIRC)


In terms of impact players, we've been down 3 out of our top 5 players. It's too late to look up the cap hits (not that that means anything to me), but since most of the important guys are younger (Julio, Spoon, etc.) I can't imagine it's very high.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are we actually having a debate about which team is the most ravaged by injuries??

Well, when people make statements about being as, or more, injured than most teams in the league because of 3 players of note going down (and yes, I'm well aware you guys lost Hernandez to "outside circumstances" and just got Gronk back recently), then folks are well within their right to provide factual information that such a statement isn't all that merit-worthy.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

patsfan25 wrote:
Are we actually having a debate about which team is the most ravaged by injuries??


Unbelievable isn't it.
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The LBC wrote:
patsfan25 wrote:
Are we actually having a debate about which team is the most ravaged by injuries??

Well, when people make statements about being as, or more, injured than most teams in the league because of 3 players of note going down (and yes, I'm well aware you guys lost Hernandez to "outside circumstances" and just got Gronk back recently), then folks are well within their right to provide factual information that such a statement isn't all that merit-worthy.


Except that's not just it, is it? It's not just three decent starters, it's three pro-bowl/all-pro players that are easily top 5-10 at their position. Couple that with Gronk and Talib missing significant time and five of the best six players on the team are out.
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Man, are the injuries ever piling up in the NFL this season. There have always been injuries in the NFL but this year there seems to be a lot more than ever before.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

patsfan25 wrote:
Are we actually having a debate about which team is the most ravaged by injuries??


Basically started by a Pats fan. When does the complaining stop around here?

Just about all teams get effected by injuries so nothing new here.
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The LBC wrote:
patsfan25 wrote:
Are we actually having a debate about which team is the most ravaged by injuries??

Well, when people make statements about being as, or more, injured than most teams in the league because of 3 players of note going down (and yes, I'm well aware you guys lost Hernandez to "outside circumstances" and just got Gronk back recently), then folks are well within their right to provide factual information that such a statement isn't all that merit-worthy.

Agreed. And to be honest, I think you're being slightly generous. The guy following your OP, assuming its a Pats fan, stated flat out, "don't think there's a team more injured than the Pats".

If it were just a case of, "we're one of the worst injured teams" I could definitely accept that as fair and I'm sure most people would've went on their way. But when a poster pretends they are dealing with the most/significant injuries, well that gets the conversation snowballing. Perhaps the comment was made in ignorance of opposing team circumstances, but it was still made... and posters attempted to update him on those alternative specifics.

And what further gets it snowballing are comments (from another Pats fan) such as "Let's settle this objectively. The Pats have the highest cap hits on IR". Not even realizing that if significant contributors are on their first contracts, like Julio Jones or Randall Cobb... they're not going to have any kind of cap hits to write home about.
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RashaanSalaami wrote:
I guess let's play - Packers:

LT Bryan Bulaga (16 games)
WR Randall Cobb (8 games)
TE Jermichael Finley (10 games presumably)
OLB Clay Matthews (5 games)
CB Casey Hayward (8 games)
ILB Brad Jones (4 games)
WR James Jones (2-3 games)
RB DaJuan Harris (16 games)
RB Eddie Lacy (2 games)
RB James Starks (3 games)
OLB Nick Perry (2-3 games)

And recent high draft picks:
Derek Sherrod (9+ games)
Jerel Worthy (9+ games)

I guess we're fortunate that some of these guys have shots to return by the end of the season, but we know the injury train won't stop here, so who knows whose next on the hit list. May have missed a couple here and there and I know at one point we were at risk of not even having 46 healthy bodies for game day.


For those keeping score at home that amounts to
Starting LT
Starting WR
Starting TE
Pro Bowl OLB
Starting CB (Our best CB)
Starting ILB
#3 WR who lead the league in TDs a year ago
And our other starting OLB

This makes 2010 and 2012 look like nothing. It's insane how deep this Packers team is. TT Ftw
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Seems like every thread that relates to the Pats around here turns into a pissing-contest.


I hope Vollmer recovers well and soon it looked really painful.
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