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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We should just take a flyer on Jay Ratliff if he passes a physical.. We have 2 bottom 5 guys in the NFL.. At least we have a chance of him being better and snagging a better player.
Ratliff is a 1 gap NT, we run a zero technique - meaning Cofield lines up over the center and takes on double teams from a guard and the center. Ratliff has never done that.

If we signed Ratliff, he'd play DE.

Cofield is our NT - he's one of the best NTs in the NFL, some believe he is the best. He is not moving to DE, certainly not for a 32 year old injured Jay Ratliff.

If we brought Ratliff here, he'd back up Bowen.

Jenkins will be starting over Golston at LDE soon enough, once he gets in shape and our run defense will be immediately better when that happens.
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Well just cut them and then take the 5 million in dead money for cutting Bowen
Or get him to take a paycut and/or restructure and make him a backup.
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Dro wrote:
We should just take a flyer on Jay Ratliff if he passes a physical.. We have 2 bottom 5 guys in the NFL.. At least we have a chance of him being better and snagging a better player.
Ratliff is a 1 gap NT, we run a zero technique - meaning Cofield lines up over the center and takes on double teams from a guard and the center. Ratliff has never done that.

If we signed Ratliff, he'd play DE.

Cofield is our NT - he's one of the best NTs in the NFL, some believe he is the best. He is not moving to DE, certainly not for a 32 year old injured Jay Ratliff.

If we brought Ratliff here, he'd back up Bowen.

Jenkins will be starting over Golston at LDE soon enough, once he gets in shape and our run defense will be immediately better when that happens.


at this juncture id start ratliff over bowen after a few games if he proves to be serviceable.. both golston and bowen are putrid. Defensive line needs to be addressed immediately. Easely - Tuitt i hope can become a part of this team soon.
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Well just cut them and then take the 5 million in dead money for cutting Bowen
Or get him to take a paycut and/or restructure and make him a backup.
you don't listen. He just restructured to help the team out. Man Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
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We should just take a flyer on Jay Ratliff if he passes a physical.. We have 2 bottom 5 guys in the NFL.. At least we have a chance of him being better and snagging a better player.


He's a nose tackle right -- so we move Cofield to end ?


you could actually play Ratliff at End imo hes a good pass rusher..
I know we desperately need DE help, but Ratliff is Haynesworth 2.0. He's just trying to get another contract signed he has no intention of helping any team competitively. We don't need someone like that on our team.



Don't see where you can fully say that....
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Dro wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Dro wrote:
We should just take a flyer on Jay Ratliff if he passes a physical.. We have 2 bottom 5 guys in the NFL.. At least we have a chance of him being better and snagging a better player.
Ratliff is a 1 gap NT, we run a zero technique - meaning Cofield lines up over the center and takes on double teams from a guard and the center. Ratliff has never done that.

If we signed Ratliff, he'd play DE.

Cofield is our NT - he's one of the best NTs in the NFL, some believe he is the best. He is not moving to DE, certainly not for a 32 year old injured Jay Ratliff.

If we brought Ratliff here, he'd back up Bowen.

Jenkins will be starting over Golston at LDE soon enough, once he gets in shape and our run defense will be immediately better when that happens.


at this juncture id start ratliff over bowen after a few games if he proves to be serviceable.. both golston and bowen are putrid. Defensive line needs to be addressed immediately. Easely - Tuitt i hope can become a part of this team soon.
do me a favor. Read this, study it. Then, think about your first sentence

http://www.nfl.com/player/jayratliff/2506556/careerstats

Questions for you to answer. When was the last time Jay Ratliff played in an nfl game?

What did he do in the first 6 weeks of last season to make you think he'd come in right away and take any of our top 5 DL's job?
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MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Well just cut them and then take the 5 million in dead money for cutting Bowen
Or get him to take a paycut and/or restructure and make him a backup.
you don't listen. He just restructured to help the team out. Man Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
Then cut him. Jesus.
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turtle28 wrote:
Dro wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Dro wrote:
We should just take a flyer on Jay Ratliff if he passes a physical.. We have 2 bottom 5 guys in the NFL.. At least we have a chance of him being better and snagging a better player.
Ratliff is a 1 gap NT, we run a zero technique - meaning Cofield lines up over the center and takes on double teams from a guard and the center. Ratliff has never done that.

If we signed Ratliff, he'd play DE.

Cofield is our NT - he's one of the best NTs in the NFL, some believe he is the best. He is not moving to DE, certainly not for a 32 year old injured Jay Ratliff.

If we brought Ratliff here, he'd back up Bowen.

Jenkins will be starting over Golston at LDE soon enough, once he gets in shape and our run defense will be immediately better when that happens.


at this juncture id start ratliff over bowen after a few games if he proves to be serviceable.. both golston and bowen are putrid. Defensive line needs to be addressed immediately. Easely - Tuitt i hope can become a part of this team soon.
do me a favor. Read this, study it. Then, think about your first sentence

http://www.nfl.com/player/jayratliff/2506556/careerstats

Questions for you to answer. When was the last time Jay Ratliff played in an nfl game?

What did he do in the first 6 weeks of last season to make you think he'd come in right away and take any of our top 5 DL's job?


It's the point that our DE's are SO BAD that what could it hurt to try it out? He's not commanding a multi year huge contract. Sometimes you got to step out and try something because our defensive line is worse than people think.
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MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Well just cut them and then take the 5 million in dead money for cutting Bowen
Or get him to take a paycut and/or restructure and make him a backup.
you don't listen. He just restructured to help the team out. Man Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
Then cut him. Jesus.
theres no reason to cut him. God Wink

We don't have anyone better. You don't cut a player during the season when he your best healthy player at a position. Doesn't make sense
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Dro wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Dro wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Dro wrote:
We should just take a flyer on Jay Ratliff if he passes a physical.. We have 2 bottom 5 guys in the NFL.. At least we have a chance of him being better and snagging a better player.
Ratliff is a 1 gap NT, we run a zero technique - meaning Cofield lines up over the center and takes on double teams from a guard and the center. Ratliff has never done that.

If we signed Ratliff, he'd play DE.

Cofield is our NT - he's one of the best NTs in the NFL, some believe he is the best. He is not moving to DE, certainly not for a 32 year old injured Jay Ratliff.

If we brought Ratliff here, he'd back up Bowen.

Jenkins will be starting over Golston at LDE soon enough, once he gets in shape and our run defense will be immediately better when that happens.


at this juncture id start ratliff over bowen after a few games if he proves to be serviceable.. both golston and bowen are putrid. Defensive line needs to be addressed immediately. Easely - Tuitt i hope can become a part of this team soon.
do me a favor. Read this, study it. Then, think about your first sentence

http://www.nfl.com/player/jayratliff/2506556/careerstats

Questions for you to answer. When was the last time Jay Ratliff played in an nfl game?

What did he do in the first 6 weeks of last season to make you think he'd come in right away and take any of our top 5 DL's job?


It's the point that our DE's are SO BAD that what could it hurt to try it out? He's not commanding a multi year huge contract. Sometimes you got to step out and try something because our defensive line is worse than people think.
Because he reeks of someone just trying to get paid. Its the worst kind of free agent you can sign.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2013/10/jay-ratliffs-agent-informs-nfl-execs-former-dallas-cowboys-dt-jay-ratliff-is-ready-to-resume-football-activities.html/

It was reported that Ratliff, who hurt himself last November and hasn’t played since, was recovering from a sports hernia. But Slough said the injury was much worse, explaining that tendons attached to Ratliff’s pelvis were ripped apart and that it would probably take a year to heal.

“He absolutely, 100 percent wants to play football again,” Slough said Oct. 16. “He has a passion for the game. He has a love for the game. He has absolutely no intention of not playing again in 2014. If he could’ve played this year, he would’ve been on the field.”

Asked if the information included in the email Wednesday was different than what the Cowboys had the day they released Ratliff, Slough said, “I don’t know. I don’t really want to go down any of the past. I am ready to just go forward.”

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turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Well just cut them and then take the 5 million in dead money for cutting Bowen
Or get him to take a paycut and/or restructure and make him a backup.
you don't listen. He just restructured to help the team out. Man Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
Then cut him. Jesus.
theres no reason to cut him. God Wink

We don't have anyone better. You don't cut a player during the season when he your best healthy player at a position. Doesn't make sense
In the offseason.
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Dro wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Dro wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Dro wrote:
We should just take a flyer on Jay Ratliff if he passes a physical.. We have 2 bottom 5 guys in the NFL.. At least we have a chance of him being better and snagging a better player.
Ratliff is a 1 gap NT, we run a zero technique - meaning Cofield lines up over the center and takes on double teams from a guard and the center. Ratliff has never done that.

If we signed Ratliff, he'd play DE.

Cofield is our NT - he's one of the best NTs in the NFL, some believe he is the best. He is not moving to DE, certainly not for a 32 year old injured Jay Ratliff.

If we brought Ratliff here, he'd back up Bowen.

Jenkins will be starting over Golston at LDE soon enough, once he gets in shape and our run defense will be immediately better when that happens.


at this juncture id start ratliff over bowen after a few games if he proves to be serviceable.. both golston and bowen are putrid. Defensive line needs to be addressed immediately. Easely - Tuitt i hope can become a part of this team soon.
do me a favor. Read this, study it. Then, think about your first sentence

http://www.nfl.com/player/jayratliff/2506556/careerstats

Questions for you to answer. When was the last time Jay Ratliff played in an nfl game?

What did he do in the first 6 weeks of last season to make you think he'd come in right away and take any of our top 5 DL's job?


It's the point that our DE's are SO BAD that what could it hurt to try it out? He's not commanding a multi year huge contract. Sometimes you got to step out and try something because our defensive line is worse than people think.
by signing a 32 year old 1 gap NT who struggled at DE last year and doesn't fit into our 3-4 scheme and hasn't played a down of nfl football in a year?

He could come in and try to prove he can be part of the rotation, but he's past his prime. Sean Lee said they weren't going to miss him
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MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Well just cut them and then take the 5 million in dead money for cutting Bowen
Or get him to take a paycut and/or restructure and make him a backup.
you don't listen. He just restructured to help the team out. Man Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
Then cut him. Jesus.
theres no reason to cut him. God Wink

We don't have anyone better. You don't cut a player during the season when he your best healthy player at a position. Doesn't make sense
In the offseason.
oh maybe. Just depends on what's available
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turtle28 wrote:
Dro wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Dro wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Dro wrote:
We should just take a flyer on Jay Ratliff if he passes a physical.. We have 2 bottom 5 guys in the NFL.. At least we have a chance of him being better and snagging a better player.
Ratliff is a 1 gap NT, we run a zero technique - meaning Cofield lines up over the center and takes on double teams from a guard and the center. Ratliff has never done that.

If we signed Ratliff, he'd play DE.

Cofield is our NT - he's one of the best NTs in the NFL, some believe he is the best. He is not moving to DE, certainly not for a 32 year old injured Jay Ratliff.

If we brought Ratliff here, he'd back up Bowen.

Jenkins will be starting over Golston at LDE soon enough, once he gets in shape and our run defense will be immediately better when that happens.


at this juncture id start ratliff over bowen after a few games if he proves to be serviceable.. both golston and bowen are putrid. Defensive line needs to be addressed immediately. Easely - Tuitt i hope can become a part of this team soon.
do me a favor. Read this, study it. Then, think about your first sentence

http://www.nfl.com/player/jayratliff/2506556/careerstats

Questions for you to answer. When was the last time Jay Ratliff played in an nfl game?

What did he do in the first 6 weeks of last season to make you think he'd come in right away and take any of our top 5 DL's job?


It's the point that our DE's are SO BAD that what could it hurt to try it out? He's not commanding a multi year huge contract. Sometimes you got to step out and try something because our defensive line is worse than people think.
by signing a 32 year old 1 gap NT who struggled at DE last year and doesn't fit into our 3-4 scheme and hasn't played a down of nfl football in a year?

He could come in and try to prove he can be part of the rotation, but he's past his prime. Sean Lee said they weren't going to miss him
Read my article I posted above. He's either too injured still to pass a physical, or he blatantly lied to the Cowboys just so he wouldn't have to play. Now, I hate the Cowboys as much as the next man, but do you want someone on your team who lies about being hurt so he can collect checks from the sidelines?
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MKnight82 wrote:
Dro wrote:
RSkinGM wrote:
Dro wrote:
We should just take a flyer on Jay Ratliff if he passes a physical.. We have 2 bottom 5 guys in the NFL.. At least we have a chance of him being better and snagging a better player.


He's a nose tackle right -- so we move Cofield to end ?


you could actually play Ratliff at End imo hes a good pass rusher..
I know we desperately need DE help, but Ratliff is Haynesworth 2.0. He's just trying to get another contract signed he has no intention of helping any team competitively. We don't need someone like that on our team.


Difference is that we'd be paying Ratliff vet minimum with possibly some sweeteners for the rest of the season instead an ungodly albatross of a contract.

As for helping, I would be very surprised if he wasn't focused on helping. If he's looking for that one last score, playing his tuckus off would be the way to do it.

In any event, here are the three possibilities:
1. We pay him little, and he doesn't pan out. Result? Oh well, probably no worse than what our DL is doing.
2. We pay him little, he goes off, but doesn't re-sign. Result? Hey we got half a season out of him for vet min. Nice!
3. We pay him little, he goes off, and re-signs. Result? It will depend on the contract. This is the case to worry about.

Still 1 out of 3 possibilities has a significant upside for little cost, 1 of 3 has upside with possible downside of bad long term contract, and the final option is no real change from where we are now.
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