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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't get how most of you constantly and still think Logan Ryan is trash. He will be a very good CB in this league. To me he was the best play-making CB in a very deep draft class. He has the edge and competitiveness that is missing in a lot of CBs. Plays the run great, is always willing to get in on the ball and has the real natural instincts of a DB. Even at how raw he is. Just keep doubting..... Twisted Evil


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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patsfan25 wrote:
I don't get how most of you constantly and still think Logan Ryan is trash. He will be a very good CB in this league. To me he was the best play-making CB in a very deep draft class. He has the edge and competitiveness that is missing in a lot of CBs. Plays the run great, is always willing to get in on the ball and has the real natural instincts of a DB. Even at how raw he is. Just keep doubting..... Twisted Evil


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chandler Jones and Dennard were good picks.

The rest are up in the air or really bad.

Tavon Wilson!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"@NEPatriotsDraft: Dont'a Hightower, Aaron Dobson, Chandler Jones all playing big parts in 2nd Half comeback. Draft choices in 2012 and 2013."


I'll add Logan Ryan's last two games too.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Early Impressions Of The '12 and '13 Draft Classes Reply with quote

2012:

Chandler Jones
Dont'a Hightower
Tavon Wilson
Jake Bequette
Nate Ebner
Alfonzo Dennard
Jeremy Ebert

2013:

Jamie Collins
Aaron Dobson
Logan Ryan
Duron Harmon
Josh Boyce
Michael Buchanon
Steve Beauharnais

I think that our HITS in the draft are;

Chandler Jones
Alfonzo Dennard
Aaron Dobson

The two that I have reservations about are Hightower and Ryan. Ryan because it's too early to say, and Hightower is disappointing this year. As for the rest I'd say some are unknown, some already looking like bad picks. Tavon Wilson currently appears like the worst pick of all.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Early Impressions Of The '12 and '13 Draft Classes Reply with quote

Wilsonhurtsu wrote:
2012:

Chandler Jones
Dont'a Hightower
Tavon Wilson
Jake Bequette
Nate Ebner
Alfonzo Dennard
Jeremy Ebert

2013:

Jamie Collins
Aaron Dobson
Logan Ryan
Duron Harmon
Josh Boyce
Michael Buchanon
Steve Beauharnais

I think that our HITS in the draft are;

Chandler Jones
Alfonzo Dennard
Aaron Dobson

The two that I have reservations about are Hightower and Ryan. Ryan because it's too early to say, and Hightower is disappointing this year. As for the rest I'd say some are unknown, some already looking like bad picks. Tavon Wilson currently appears like the worst pick of all.


Hightower is only disappointing this year because he is playing out of position. He's being asked to cover athletic TE's and RB's more than he has ever been asked before because of Mayo's absence. Hightower is much more of a thumping, run-stopping, blitzer, than an all-around LB that Mayo is. It is unfair to judge Hightower as disappointing for that reason and he should be considered a hit. Logan Ryan has been impressive as well, but I'll wait until the end of the season to judge him completely. He's made some fantastic plays and some tough ones, but for the most part he has looked solid
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot to like about Hightower, just a little confused at what we thought we were getting when we traded up to draft a 270 pound linebacker to play outside Brandon Spikes. Weird to think Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David were available a whole round later.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sooner or later I think the Pats are gonna transition back to more 3-4 looks with Hightower as the strongside edge guy and Chandler as the weakside elephant.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

goldfishwars wrote:
There's a lot to like about Hightower, just a little confused at what we thought we were getting when we traded up to draft a 270 pound linebacker to play outside Brandon Spikes. Weird to think Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David were available a whole round later.


Same. I never really got it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

24isthelaw wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
There's a lot to like about Hightower, just a little confused at what we thought we were getting when we traded up to draft a 270 pound linebacker to play outside Brandon Spikes. Weird to think Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David were available a whole round later.


Same. I never really got it.


Well, I doubt David or Wagner were even on the Pats radar.

I think Hightower gets underrated around here because he has been burnt a few times in coverage. If he moves to MIKE next year to replace Spikes, I think people will understand how valuable he is.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's a lot to like about Hightower, just a little confused at what we thought we were getting when we traded up to draft a 270 pound linebacker to play outside Brandon Spikes. Weird to think Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David were available a whole round later.
That's just how Belichick is. I'm pretty sure that in Belichick's time in NE, he has never had an LB under 245 pounds start more than 5 games. Wagner is almost there at 241 but still would have been Belichick's lightest starting linebacker in 13.5 years. David doesn't even come close at 233. Even Belichick's athletic linebackers (Mayo, Guyton, Collins) have all been in the 245-250 range.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sciz wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
There's a lot to like about Hightower, just a little confused at what we thought we were getting when we traded up to draft a 270 pound linebacker to play outside Brandon Spikes. Weird to think Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David were available a whole round later.
That's just how Belichick is. I'm pretty sure that in Belichick's time in NE, he has never had an LB under 245 pounds start more than 5 games. Wagner is almost there at 241 but still would have been Belichick's lightest starting linebacker in 13.5 years. David doesn't even come close at 233. Even Belichick's athletic linebackers (Mayo, Guyton, Collins) have all been in the 245-250 range.


More importantly, you have to be scheme diverse - which David obviously isn't.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
There's a lot to like about Hightower, just a little confused at what we thought we were getting when we traded up to draft a 270 pound linebacker to play outside Brandon Spikes. Weird to think Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David were available a whole round later.


Same. I never really got it.


Well, I doubt David or Wagner were even on the Pats radar.

I think Hightower gets underrated around here because he has been burnt a few times in coverage. If he moves to MIKE next year to replace Spikes, I think people will understand how valuable he is.


There were a lot of rumblings that the Patriots liked Wagner - Belichick just loved the fact that Hightower could call the signals and could serve as cover at DE, 4-3 OLB, and 4-3 ILB, and Hightower's value was seen as superlative. Very few expected him to fall past Pittsburgh at 24 that year. Heck, after the pick happened, reports came out that teams were angry at Pittsburgh for letting Hightower slip to New England.

I think there's a fairly reasonable chance that Wagner was the next LB on New England's board after Hightower. Hightower seems to have been pretty highly touted across the league, though.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
There's a lot to like about Hightower, just a little confused at what we thought we were getting when we traded up to draft a 270 pound linebacker to play outside Brandon Spikes. Weird to think Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David were available a whole round later.


Same. I never really got it.


Well, I doubt David or Wagner were even on the Pats radar.

I think Hightower gets underrated around here because he has been burnt a few times in coverage. If he moves to MIKE next year to replace Spikes, I think people will understand how valuable he is.


To be honest, I'm surprised it's taken this long for teams to pick on the guy. He's much better suited to playing inside and could well thrive there like you say, but clearly he's not a rangy athlete at all. In a 3-4, he's a totally different animal.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tzimisce wrote:
Sooner or later I think the Pats are gonna transition back to more 3-4 looks with Hightower as the strongside edge guy and Chandler as the weakside elephant.


I believe Chandler is almost as pure a 4-3 DE as we've had in a while. It seems strange to me that at pick 21, BB decided we'd go 4-3 and at pick 25 decided we'd switch back to a 3-4.

I think that Chandler would be wasted in the 3-4 and clearly Hightower isn't suited for the 4-3.

Still angry that we didn't get Cameron Jordan that draft (and Justin Houston) - I should be a scout. Cool
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