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JaguarCrazy2832


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont understand why they would move him when he would be the best asset they have for their new franchise QB
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
i dont understand why they would move him when he would be the best asset they have for their new franchise QB


There was a rumor that someone wanted him gone; I don't think it was lombardi, so maybe an exec or even an owner? Then that rumor sort of went away, and I think it became more about the new regime trying to stockpile draft picks in order to fill the roster with "their guys". At least that was the impression that was given. I still don't think they're overly serious about trying to move him, just willing to listen if someone makes an offer
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
i dont understand why they would move him when he would be the best asset they have for their new franchise QB


There was a rumor that someone wanted him gone; I don't think it was lombardi, so maybe an exec or even an owner? Then that rumor sort of went away, and I think it became more about the new regime trying to stockpile draft picks in order to fill the roster with "their guys". At least that was the impression that was given. I still don't think they're overly serious about trying to move him, just willing to listen if someone makes an offer


This strategy seems to most always fail than actually work. You have to be able to incorporate talent into a team, regardless of where they came from.

If there are character concerns with Gordon, I can understand why they may want to seek a trade. I just never liked when coaches completely gut a team to get "there guys". It seems that teams end up losing value in the end and getting a better player is never a sure thing.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
Forge wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
i dont understand why they would move him when he would be the best asset they have for their new franchise QB


There was a rumor that someone wanted him gone; I don't think it was lombardi, so maybe an exec or even an owner? Then that rumor sort of went away, and I think it became more about the new regime trying to stockpile draft picks in order to fill the roster with "their guys". At least that was the impression that was given. I still don't think they're overly serious about trying to move him, just willing to listen if someone makes an offer


This strategy seems to most always fail than actually work. You have to be able to incorporate talent into a team, regardless of where they came from.

If there are character concerns with Gordon, I can understand why they may want to seek a trade. I just never liked when coaches completely gut a team to get "there guys". It seems that teams end up losing value in the end and getting a better player is never a sure thing.


I agree. I always hated the "new regimes mean new quarterback" ideology. I honestly don't understand the concept of unloading people just because you didn't draft them or they're not, "your type of player". Talent is talent. The goal is to have as much on the team as possible, and while getting draft choices is nice, there's no guarantee that anyone you draft is going to be worth anything anyway.
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vikingsrule wrote:
Forge wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
i dont understand why they would move him when he would be the best asset they have for their new franchise QB


There was a rumor that someone wanted him gone; I don't think it was lombardi, so maybe an exec or even an owner? Then that rumor sort of went away, and I think it became more about the new regime trying to stockpile draft picks in order to fill the roster with "their guys". At least that was the impression that was given. I still don't think they're overly serious about trying to move him, just willing to listen if someone makes an offer


This strategy seems to most always fail than actually work. You have to be able to incorporate talent into a team, regardless of where they came from.

If there are character concerns with Gordon, I can understand why they may want to seek a trade. I just never liked when coaches completely gut a team to get "there guys". It seems that teams end up losing value in the end and getting a better player is never a sure thing.


Seahawks are a perfect example of a coach wanting "his guys" Carroll gutted this team and rebuilt it on the fly with draft picks and a few key signings and trades.

The entire core of this team is Carroll based and he shipped out alot of vets to do it.


Wilson
Okung
THomas
Sherman
Chancellor
Tate
Wagner
Wright
Irvin

are all Carroll draft picks, while he added Lynch, Clemons, Rice and Browner thru trades and UFA.

People where blown away with all the roster moves he made and the sheer amount of bodies in and out. But he did want he NEEDED his guys to make it work.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirensong wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
Forge wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
i dont understand why they would move him when he would be the best asset they have for their new franchise QB


There was a rumor that someone wanted him gone; I don't think it was lombardi, so maybe an exec or even an owner? Then that rumor sort of went away, and I think it became more about the new regime trying to stockpile draft picks in order to fill the roster with "their guys". At least that was the impression that was given. I still don't think they're overly serious about trying to move him, just willing to listen if someone makes an offer


This strategy seems to most always fail than actually work. You have to be able to incorporate talent into a team, regardless of where they came from.

If there are character concerns with Gordon, I can understand why they may want to seek a trade. I just never liked when coaches completely gut a team to get "there guys". It seems that teams end up losing value in the end and getting a better player is never a sure thing.


Seahawks are a perfect example of a coach wanting "his guys" Carroll gutted this team and rebuilt it on the fly with draft picks and a few key signings and trades.

The entire core of this team is Carroll based and he shipped out alot of vets to do it.


Wilson
Okung
THomas
Sherman
Chancellor
Tate
Wagner
Wright
Irvin

are all Carroll draft picks, while he added Lynch, Clemons, Rice and Browner thru trades and UFA.

People where blown away with all the roster moves he made and the sheer amount of bodies in and out. But he did want he NEEDED his guys to make it work.


He didn't needlessly gut the team though from what I remember. I think that's the concern with Cleveland trading Gordon. Also, it is highly unlikely that a team hits on that many draft choices in a two/three year period, especially in the middle to late rounds. The Seahawks have done it better than anyone the last few years I think, and the niners have done okay with it some, and some other teams, but they have had very good drafts. If a team has even just an average draft or two, they'd never get the level of quality that the seahawks got in those drafts.
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Carroll is more the exception to the rule than anything, it still was a minority accomplishment as the majority typically fail at this
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forge wrote:
There was a rumor that someone wanted him gone; I don't think it was lombardi, so maybe an exec or even an owner?
It was Joe Banner.
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Well he is certainly increasing his value with Campbell at QB
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JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Well he is certainly increasing his value with Campbell at QB


Gordon has produced nicely with every QB he has played with.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forge wrote:
sirensong wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
Forge wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
i dont understand why they would move him when he would be the best asset they have for their new franchise QB


There was a rumor that someone wanted him gone; I don't think it was lombardi, so maybe an exec or even an owner? Then that rumor sort of went away, and I think it became more about the new regime trying to stockpile draft picks in order to fill the roster with "their guys". At least that was the impression that was given. I still don't think they're overly serious about trying to move him, just willing to listen if someone makes an offer


This strategy seems to most always fail than actually work. You have to be able to incorporate talent into a team, regardless of where they came from.

If there are character concerns with Gordon, I can understand why they may want to seek a trade. I just never liked when coaches completely gut a team to get "there guys". It seems that teams end up losing value in the end and getting a better player is never a sure thing.


Seahawks are a perfect example of a coach wanting "his guys" Carroll gutted this team and rebuilt it on the fly with draft picks and a few key signings and trades.

The entire core of this team is Carroll based and he shipped out alot of vets to do it.


Wilson
Okung
THomas
Sherman
Chancellor
Tate
Wagner
Wright
Irvin

are all Carroll draft picks, while he added Lynch, Clemons, Rice and Browner thru trades and UFA.

People where blown away with all the roster moves he made and the sheer amount of bodies in and out. But he did want he NEEDED his guys to make it work.


He didn't needlessly gut the team though from what I remember. I think that's the concern with Cleveland trading Gordon. Also, it is highly unlikely that a team hits on that many draft choices in a two/three year period, especially in the middle to late rounds. The Seahawks have done it better than anyone the last few years I think, and the niners have done okay with it some, and some other teams, but they have had very good drafts. If a team has even just an average draft or two, they'd never get the level of quality that the seahawks got in those drafts.
We pretty much gutted the team. This is his third year with the team. The guys left over who make any sort of impact from when before he took over are...

Unger
Mebane
Red Bryant
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forge wrote:
sirensong wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
Forge wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
i dont understand why they would move him when he would be the best asset they have for their new franchise QB


There was a rumor that someone wanted him gone; I don't think it was lombardi, so maybe an exec or even an owner? Then that rumor sort of went away, and I think it became more about the new regime trying to stockpile draft picks in order to fill the roster with "their guys". At least that was the impression that was given. I still don't think they're overly serious about trying to move him, just willing to listen if someone makes an offer


This strategy seems to most always fail than actually work. You have to be able to incorporate talent into a team, regardless of where they came from.

If there are character concerns with Gordon, I can understand why they may want to seek a trade. I just never liked when coaches completely gut a team to get "there guys". It seems that teams end up losing value in the end and getting a better player is never a sure thing.


Seahawks are a perfect example of a coach wanting "his guys" Carroll gutted this team and rebuilt it on the fly with draft picks and a few key signings and trades.

The entire core of this team is Carroll based and he shipped out alot of vets to do it.


Wilson
Okung
THomas
Sherman
Chancellor
Tate
Wagner
Wright
Irvin

are all Carroll draft picks, while he added Lynch, Clemons, Rice and Browner thru trades and UFA.

People where blown away with all the roster moves he made and the sheer amount of bodies in and out. But he did want he NEEDED his guys to make it work.


He didn't needlessly gut the team though from what I remember. I think that's the concern with Cleveland trading Gordon. Also, it is highly unlikely that a team hits on that many draft choices in a two/three year period, especially in the middle to late rounds. The Seahawks have done it better than anyone the last few years I think, and the niners have done okay with it some, and some other teams, but they have had very good drafts. If a team has even just an average draft or two, they'd never get the level of quality that the seahawks got in those drafts.




No...he gutted the team. As he said above there is hardly anyone on that roster from before. I see what your trying to say, but a lot of the time getting "your guys" can go a long way to creating a good playoff contending team. And more coaches are going to start doing it too.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind the Saints making a move for him. We desperately need a playmaker at WR, Stills has been good but hes a rookie and Colston is sadly declining.
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I would wait until the trade deadline, but seriously consider dealing our 2nd round pick for him. Whilst Raiders need draft picks like woah, we also need a number 1 WR. We have a very good number two, a solid number 3 but no number 1.

If we can win another game before the deadline, then I would be pretty confident we can win at least 7 on the year so would be willing to roll the dice on a 2nd.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no legitimate reason this kid should be traded, he's dynamite - doing it with scrubs at quarterback and dominating out there.
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