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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way the Steelers are currently utilizing there OL best fits Velasco. But there is a reason the Steelers aren't using their zone blocking scheme that they worked on all spring and summer. Pouncey isn't the greatest OC when it comes to a power running game, but he would be amazing in a finesse zone blocking scheme. Pouncey's mobility would be on full display in a zone blocking scheme. I guess Velasco is more of a throwback OC then Pouncey at this point.

The best OC in the game are surrounded and used in schemes that best fit their skillset.

1. Myers
2. Mangold
3 Kalil
4. Woods
5. Sullivan
6. Mack

All those OCs have one thing in common and that's they play in a run based offenses. Offenses that have a identity, same starters regularly and chemistry. Give Pouncey some of those same things and I believe the Steelers will get a top flight OC
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can put him in any scheme you want. He still needs to anchor against big bodies in pass protection. He hardly looked good this preseason in the 'new' scheme which is basically the same as the old.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I'm a smart man, I put my pride aside and go moneyball with stats; not only I'll be forcing Pouncey to play LG but tell him you are playing there or getting traded.

That being said if Marcus Gilbert continue to progress nicely I still can see Mike Adams get PT as a starter. Other idea is that since he's dominant running blocker; why not put him at LG? If Carl Nicks can, why can't Mike Adams? As everybody can see, size doesn't really matter, its the techniques that boost a player's performance. Beachem is 6'3", yes only 6'3" but he stayed in front of Suggs for good majority number of plays last game.

Looking at salary cap situation, i'd easily give it a go. Would be easier for Mike Adams too, more leverage for him.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I'm a smart man, I put my pride aside and go moneyball with stats; not only I'll be forcing Pouncey to play LG but tell him you are playing there or getting traded.

That being said if Marcus Gilbert continue to progress nicely I still can see Mike Adams get PT as a starter. Other idea is that since he's dominant running blocker; why not put him at LG? If Carl Nicks can, why can't Mike Adams? As everybody can see, size doesn't really matter, its the techniques that boost a player's performance. Beachem is 6'3", yes only 6'3" but he stayed in front of Suggs for good majority number of plays last game.

Looking at salary cap situation, i'd easily give it a go. Would be easier for Mike Adams too, more leverage for him.


I like your idea when it comes to pouncey and if he doesn't want to play where the coaches say, then get rid of him. He thinks he is a superstar, so don't be surprised if he tries to play where he wants. Adams is too tall and most likely will lose the leverage battle vs DT's plus everything happens faster inside which might makes Adams a liability since he seems a bit slow. They could try, and if it worked out with Adams V DD that could create a space for Bell to get easy yards.

Beachum seems to be progressing all the time, as if he wants to get better. I haven't seen much of that from an OL here in years so he gets his shot . Tunch pointed out how he says Beachum has the hands and feet for LT and that huge LT's actually aren't needed. If Tunch says this, I am ok with it as long as beachum plays well. Whimper is the surprise of the bunch, played well enough that I don't care if Adams plays RT for a while. Maybe the OL is going to go with players more fit and quicker than what we had in recent years. I just want to see a good running game and it starts up front, but also know ends with Bell. We have the RB, so if he stays healthy we are going to get the stats. 46 and 27 pick up blocks well and add Adams as the extra OL and this team can keep Ben clean and run the ball. Haley made nice adjustments there, now if LeBeau will do the same .

If Velasco, who IS durable , plays well, the FO better consider keeping him at C. Pouncey's days should be done IMO, no more rollerskates and as a result a better pocket most times. Pouncey is good, but not close to the hype and we are seeing all that unfold this year. If this team averages 140 yards a game on the ground, how could they not keep Velasco? Of course, we know what kinds of decisions the FO has made with the OL in recent years, lets hope history doesn't repeat itself. Rolling Eyes The cap space difference between Velasco and Mo could be $4M or more which could allow for a good proven CB.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There... aren't really such a thing as "too tall" for guard, especially dominating LG. It is on contrary of usual beliefs that OL should have common size and weight to play, today many players have proven that it is not.. the old days of big mauling O-linemen. Techniques and long arms make big differences.

Car Nicks (6'6") Mike Iupati (6'5" 1/2") Alex Boone (6'7") D. Diehl (6'6" and was a good LG for Giants' two Super Bowls runs) all came to immediate mind.

It really isn't about how you get under DL when playing LG; Velaso showed, you just got to get your hands there first, plant the feet and play one on one. Arguably taller you gets; more you can springs your strength against DL. Against 4-3 may be where Mike Adams play to his strength. Oh...! And he pulls. He's no Willie Colon, two different kind of players.
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There... aren't really such a thing as "too tall" for guard, especially dominating LG. It is on contrary of usual beliefs that OL should have common size and weight to play, today many players have proven that it is not.. the old days of big mauling O-linemen. Techniques and long arms make big differences.

Car Nicks (6'6") Mike Iupati (6'5" 1/2") Alex Boone (6'7") D. Diehl (6'6" and was a good LG for Giants' two Super Bowls runs) all came to immediate mind.

It really isn't about how you get under DL when playing LG; Velaso showed, you just got to get your hands there first, plant the feet and play one on one. Arguably taller you gets; more you can springs your strength against DL. Against 4-3 may be where Mike Adams play to his strength. Oh...! And he pulls. He's no Willie Colon, two different kind of players.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Length is good for tackles. Short armed tackles become guards. Nothing says that long cement feet tackles could not be guards as well.

According to a Titans fan, Velaso is great at OC but sucks at OG. Go figure.
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That's a myth, jebrick. (Not about Velaso, about tackles with short arms) if you actually account the players from 90's, we wouldn't be talking about this. In present day, you will actually find great guards with long arms. Arms is a good way to measure; when two people face each other in same exactly fashion- 1 yard apart you will find one with longer arms get there first.

Its not exactly science to notice this but arms help more than footworks. In general former tackles who got moved to guards in NFL is because of their lack of footworks. Not enough lateral movements there.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm only talking about the length of OTs. I would bet that a OG with long arms would be better than a short armed OG.

There is a reason why OT tend to be long. Good pass rushers tend to be long.

Lets put it this way. Aaron Smith was 6'6 and had arms long enough to scratch the back of his knees while standing ( exaggeration but not much). Vs a Oline with shorter arms, A. Smith would control the matchup because he can keep the Olineman away from his body and the Olineman's hands off his jersey.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: 5 Up/Down Ravens Reply with quote

3rivers wrote:
Steeler Hitman wrote:
Five Up

1. Big Ben (played a solid game. Passing much more accurate than previous games.
2. The OL. Holy smokes they actually opened a few holes and got a push.
3. Bell displayed patience and good vision. His running gave the OL some confidence in my opinion.
4. Troy Polamalu, William Gay and LaMarr Woodley solid games.
5. Suisham is rock solid.

Five Down

1. No turnovers and one sack by Woodley.
2. FG's instead of TD's. Gotta stick the ball in the endzone. Another dropped TD pass this week (Moye).
3. Defense not make key stops when they need to (4th quarter Raven TD drive)
4. Heath Miller turnover. Gave the Ravens 3 points and possibly lost 3 points by fumbling.
5. Jason Worilds where are you?


Worilds was on the field the whole game on D. I don't think I saw Carter out there at all, and he deserves a chance since worilds has not lived up to 2nd round expectations. Anyone here think Carter should get a shot if Jones or Woodley can't go?


Sorry I missed seeing this. That was my point ThreeRivers, He did nothing. I agree Carter should get a shot if Worilds isn't getting it done.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: 5 Up/Down Ravens Reply with quote

Steeler Hitman wrote:
3rivers wrote:
Steeler Hitman wrote:
Five Up

1. Big Ben (played a solid game. Passing much more accurate than previous games.
2. The OL. Holy smokes they actually opened a few holes and got a push.
3. Bell displayed patience and good vision. His running gave the OL some confidence in my opinion.
4. Troy Polamalu, William Gay and LaMarr Woodley solid games.
5. Suisham is rock solid.

Five Down

1. No turnovers and one sack by Woodley.
2. FG's instead of TD's. Gotta stick the ball in the endzone. Another dropped TD pass this week (Moye).
3. Defense not make key stops when they need to (4th quarter Raven TD drive)
4. Heath Miller turnover. Gave the Ravens 3 points and possibly lost 3 points by fumbling.
5. Jason Worilds where are you?


Worilds was on the field the whole game on D. I don't think I saw Carter out there at all, and he deserves a chance since worilds has not lived up to 2nd round expectations. Anyone here think Carter should get a shot if Jones or Woodley can't go?


Sorry I missed seeing this. That was my point ThreeRivers, He did nothing. I agree Carter should get a shot if Worilds isn't getting it done.


Good and bad for Worilds which isn't as bad as fans are making it out to be.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/10/jason-takes-baltimore-the-bad/

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/10/jason-takes-baltimore-the-good/
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: 5 Up/Down Ravens Reply with quote

SteelProven wrote:
Steeler Hitman wrote:
3rivers wrote:
Steeler Hitman wrote:
Five Up

1. Big Ben (played a solid game. Passing much more accurate than previous games.
2. The OL. Holy smokes they actually opened a few holes and got a push.
3. Bell displayed patience and good vision. His running gave the OL some confidence in my opinion.
4. Troy Polamalu, William Gay and LaMarr Woodley solid games.
5. Suisham is rock solid.

Five Down

1. No turnovers and one sack by Woodley.
2. FG's instead of TD's. Gotta stick the ball in the endzone. Another dropped TD pass this week (Moye).
3. Defense not make key stops when they need to (4th quarter Raven TD drive)
4. Heath Miller turnover. Gave the Ravens 3 points and possibly lost 3 points by fumbling.
5. Jason Worilds where are you?


Worilds was on the field the whole game on D. I don't think I saw Carter out there at all, and he deserves a chance since worilds has not lived up to 2nd round expectations. Anyone here think Carter should get a shot if Jones or Woodley can't go?


Sorry I missed seeing this. That was my point ThreeRivers, He did nothing. I agree Carter should get a shot if Worilds isn't getting it done.


Good and bad for Worilds which isn't as bad as fans are making it out to be.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/10/jason-takes-baltimore-the-bad/

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/10/jason-takes-baltimore-the-good/


He wasnt notably bad or notably good. All of those "goods" were reaches. On the one they say he helped Woodley get a sack and he quite clearly did nothing except get blocked out of the play. If he "helped" Woodley, its the loosest definition of "help".
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 5 Up/Down Ravens Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:
SteelProven wrote:
Steeler Hitman wrote:
3rivers wrote:
Steeler Hitman wrote:
Five Up

1. Big Ben (played a solid game. Passing much more accurate than previous games.
2. The OL. Holy smokes they actually opened a few holes and got a push.
3. Bell displayed patience and good vision. His running gave the OL some confidence in my opinion.
4. Troy Polamalu, William Gay and LaMarr Woodley solid games.
5. Suisham is rock solid.

Five Down

1. No turnovers and one sack by Woodley.
2. FG's instead of TD's. Gotta stick the ball in the endzone. Another dropped TD pass this week (Moye).
3. Defense not make key stops when they need to (4th quarter Raven TD drive)
4. Heath Miller turnover. Gave the Ravens 3 points and possibly lost 3 points by fumbling.
5. Jason Worilds where are you?


Worilds was on the field the whole game on D. I don't think I saw Carter out there at all, and he deserves a chance since worilds has not lived up to 2nd round expectations. Anyone here think Carter should get a shot if Jones or Woodley can't go?


Sorry I missed seeing this. That was my point ThreeRivers, He did nothing. I agree Carter should get a shot if Worilds isn't getting it done.


Good and bad for Worilds which isn't as bad as fans are making it out to be.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/10/jason-takes-baltimore-the-bad/

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/10/jason-takes-baltimore-the-good/


He wasnt notably bad or notably good. All of those "goods" were reaches. On the one they say he helped Woodley get a sack and he quite clearly did nothing except get blocked out of the play. If he "helped" Woodley, its the loosest definition of "help".


It's called doing your job not every play is geared for a player to generate pressure. The Steelers on the specific play designed a play to get there best pass rusher on a RB. If Worilds doesn't attack up field Woodley has a harder time getting home.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what it would mean for Jarvis Jones but I would love to have Anthony Barr in Pittsburgh. I wasn't thrilled when we picked Jarvis but think he has done well so far. Barr just looks like he could be a big time playmaker and difference maker in the NFL. I miss the days when we got pressure from both sides of the line consistently.

We probably won't have a chance at Barr nor will we really consider him since we have Jarvis and Wood, but does anyone think Jarvis could play inside? I like Vince Williams too so far but Barr just seems like an incredible prospect.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 5 Up/Down Ravens Reply with quote

SteelProven wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
SteelProven wrote:
Steeler Hitman wrote:
3rivers wrote:
Steeler Hitman wrote:
Five Up

1. Big Ben (played a solid game. Passing much more accurate than previous games.
2. The OL. Holy smokes they actually opened a few holes and got a push.
3. Bell displayed patience and good vision. His running gave the OL some confidence in my opinion.
4. Troy Polamalu, William Gay and LaMarr Woodley solid games.
5. Suisham is rock solid.

Five Down

1. No turnovers and one sack by Woodley.
2. FG's instead of TD's. Gotta stick the ball in the endzone. Another dropped TD pass this week (Moye).
3. Defense not make key stops when they need to (4th quarter Raven TD drive)
4. Heath Miller turnover. Gave the Ravens 3 points and possibly lost 3 points by fumbling.
5. Jason Worilds where are you?


Worilds was on the field the whole game on D. I don't think I saw Carter out there at all, and he deserves a chance since worilds has not lived up to 2nd round expectations. Anyone here think Carter should get a shot if Jones or Woodley can't go?


Sorry I missed seeing this. That was my point ThreeRivers, He did nothing. I agree Carter should get a shot if Worilds isn't getting it done.


Good and bad for Worilds which isn't as bad as fans are making it out to be.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/10/jason-takes-baltimore-the-bad/

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/10/jason-takes-baltimore-the-good/


He wasnt notably bad or notably good. All of those "goods" were reaches. On the one they say he helped Woodley get a sack and he quite clearly did nothing except get blocked out of the play. If he "helped" Woodley, its the loosest definition of "help".


It's called doing your job not every play is geared for a player to generate pressure. The Steelers on the specific play designed a play to get there best pass rusher on a RB. If Worilds doesn't attack up field Woodley has a harder time getting home.


Yay....Worlids ran the play it was supposed to be run.

I guess for him, something as minimal as running a play correctly is "good".

For a 4th year, 2nd round LB, that should be the norm. Unfortunately, it isnt.
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