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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: Offensive Possibilities Reply with quote

Have good or great do you think the offense can be, when or if the following scenarios play out around December and January...

Rob Gronkowski returns healthy and ready to rock
Shane Vereen returns
Austin Collie stays healthy and looks as good as he did in Indy and the end of the game vs the Saints
Danny Amendola comes back and manages to stay healthy for the remainder of the year
Julian Edelman continues to rack up receptions and gets hot like right before his injury last year
Kenbrell Thompkins continues to emerge and reaches his ceiling earlier then expected which looks like he is on that path (close to breaking rookie records)
Aaron Dobson steadily improves each week and develops solid hands
Josh Boyce sees the field more
Stevan Ridley runs like he is now and last year
Brandon Bolden contributes even more in the passing game
Leon Washington gets involved on 3rd downs
Michael Hoomanawani gets a little more involved in the passing game
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Austin Collie won't see much field. He was literally forced into action last week when Dola went down and Boyce and Slates inactive.

Boyce won't see more field either, especially since KT and Dobson improve each week and Jules continues to be Brady's favorite target.

Vereen will play big dividends and add a viable dimension to the offense that isn't there right now. Gronk will be the same way.

Bolden won't see the field once Vereen is back

Leon should be cut
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deadpulse wrote:
Austin Collie won't see much field. He was literally forced into action last week when Dola went down and Boyce and Slates inactive.

It took him a week to bypass Boyce. He needs to continue to build chemistry etc and I definitely can see him getting some significant amount of snaps. But Slates wasn't going to get snaps over him unless he is for a deep ball or run blocking. As time progresses I could see him getting some snaps over other WRs(specifically Dropson and Edelman).

A lot of different things we can do. Leon looks just messed up and can't even stay healthy on very little action.

Our entire attack will be much stronger once everyone is healthy. Gronk will help redzone a lot. I'd like to see some 2 HB sets when Vereen returns w/ either Ridley or Leon if he is somehow healthy.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Collie will see a good amount of snaps this week I bet. Boyce seems to be useless or deep in the doghouse and Amendola seems to be out for at least a week if not longer.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Collie being the target for Brady on a game deciding 4th Down has to count for something.

Only players I'm truly excited about is Gronk returning and Vereen being able to provide a legitimate weapon out of the backfield in terms of pass catching.

Dobson should be a healthy scratch for the remainder of the year. He just can't be trusted. At all.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dobson should be a healthy scratch for the remainder of the year. He just can't be trusted. At all.


That's ridiculous. He has the highest potential of all our receivers and he continues to improve each week. With one less game under his belt due to his inactive status week 1, Dobson has caught 19 balls out of 39 targets for 230 yards. In those 5 games KT has caught 17 balls out of 36 targets for 276 yards.

Dobson has caught 47% of his targets and KT has caught 42% of his targets. Guess they should both be game day inactives from here on out. Time to roll with three slot receivers and Josh Boyce, that's the best thing to do obviously. I mean Boyce has caught 1 of his 6 targets so far this year, and that is clearly the guy who should be on the field instead.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TomRalph wrote:

Dobson should be a healthy scratch for the remainder of the year. He just can't be trusted. At all.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Offensive Possibilities Reply with quote

Canton wrote:
Have good or great do you think the offense can be, when or if the following scenarios play out around December and January...

Rob Gronkowski returns healthy and ready to rock
Shane Vereen returns
Austin Collie stays healthy and looks as good as he did in Indy and the end of the game vs the Saints
Danny Amendola comes back and manages to stay healthy for the remainder of the year
Julian Edelman continues to rack up receptions and gets hot like right before his injury last year
Kenbrell Thompkins continues to emerge and reaches his ceiling earlier then expected which looks like he is on that path (close to breaking rookie records)
Aaron Dobson steadily improves each week and develops solid hands
Josh Boyce sees the field more
Stevan Ridley runs like he is now and last year
Brandon Bolden contributes even more in the passing game
Leon Washington gets involved on 3rd downs
Michael Hoomanawani gets a little more involved in the passing game


I think all that is a bit optimistic. If everyone returns to health and starts producing, guys like Bolden, Boyce, Collie, Washington and Hooman may rarely see the field, if at all.

McDaniels, for some reason, is not big on using TEs in his offense, so it’s hard to see too many multiple TE sets. The top WRs should be Amendola, Dobson, Thomkins, Edelman. Boyce/Collie may only see the field in 5 WR sets, but taking Vereen off the field in a situation that would call for 5 WRs wouldn’t be wise IMO. Vereen is just as big an offensive threat as our best WR (a healthy Amendola?), and almost as big a matchup nightmare as Gronk. In obvious passing downs, it would be foolish to leave Vereen off the field. In short yardage packages, BB likes to bring in an extra OL and/or the FB, which would probably keep Hooman off the field again. Washington may never be healthy, but is he really worth a roster spot as just a KR? There’s no way he should get carries over Ridley, Blount, Boldin, and he’s less dynamic than Vereen in the passing game.

If there comes a time when the offense is all healthy and producing, I see the top 5 skill players as Ridley/Vereen, Thomkins, Dobson, Amendola, Gronk, with maybe Edelman coming in on critical 3rd or 4th downs. I wouldn’t be too happy with many other personnel packages, if it means taking one of those guys off the field.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deadpulse wrote:
TomRalph wrote:

Dobson should be a healthy scratch for the remainder of the year. He just can't be trusted. At all.


That's ridiculous. He has the highest potential of all our receivers and he continues to improve each week. With one less game under his belt due to his inactive status week 1, Dobson has caught 19 balls out of 39 targets for 230 yards. In those 5 games KT has caught 17 balls out of 36 targets for 276 yards.

Dobson has caught 47% of his targets and KT has caught 42% of his targets. Guess they should both be game day inactives from here on out. Time to roll with three slot receivers and Josh Boyce, that's the best thing to do obviously. I mean Boyce has caught 1 of his 6 targets so far this year, and that is clearly the guy who should be on the field instead.


So did Brandon Tate and Taylor Price. Just because we don't have Moss, Welker, Hernandez and Gronk to keep Dobson out of the starting line up, doesn't mean he should be considered better than Price or Tate.

Dobson has been called upon to make plays at important junctures this season and has failed in nearly all of them. When the game isn't on the line or it isn't an important 3rd down, he can (sometimes) make plays, when we really need him, he folds like wet tissue paper.

Essentially, Dobson is Tate or Price but being forced to start because of injuries, unlike Tate and Price, who sat, learned under the tutelage of the coaches and Moss/Welker and sucked, and eventually were cut.

If Dobson and Tate/Price switched circumstances, nothing would change.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TomRalph wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
TomRalph wrote:

Dobson should be a healthy scratch for the remainder of the year. He just can't be trusted. At all.


That's ridiculous. He has the highest potential of all our receivers and he continues to improve each week. With one less game under his belt due to his inactive status week 1, Dobson has caught 19 balls out of 39 targets for 230 yards. In those 5 games KT has caught 17 balls out of 36 targets for 276 yards.

Dobson has caught 47% of his targets and KT has caught 42% of his targets. Guess they should both be game day inactives from here on out. Time to roll with three slot receivers and Josh Boyce, that's the best thing to do obviously. I mean Boyce has caught 1 of his 6 targets so far this year, and that is clearly the guy who should be on the field instead.



So did Brandon Tate and Taylor Price. Just because we don't have Moss, Welker, Hernandez and Gronk to keep Dobson out of the starting line up, doesn't mean he should be considered better than Price or Tate.

Dobson has been called upon to make plays at important junctures this season and has failed in nearly all of them. When the game isn't on the line or it isn't an important 3rd down, he can (sometimes) make plays, when we really need him, he folds like wet tissue paper.

Essentially, Dobson is Tate or Price but being forced to start because of injuries, unlike Tate and Price, who sat, learned under the tutelage of the coaches and Moss/Welker and sucked, and eventually were cut.

If Dobson and Tate/Price switched circumstances, nothing would change.


Kind of hard to say that when Dobson is a better pure receiver than both the guys your naming. Trust me I understand Dobson isn't lighting it up right now but he's a rookie. Not everyone can come in and just dominate from the start.

His top end speed is quite good, his route running and getting off the line is getting better. To add it all on he has elite hamstrings (for you NBT) seriously though making Dobson a healthy scratch because he's not come up big in some if not most opportunities he's been called upon is more due to the fact he's a rookie still learning.

He's got the most potential in our entire lineup and he's better than any rookie wideout we've drafted. He's going to continue getting snaps and looks from Tom the more that dola misses games.

Gronk is going to do wonders for Dobson and thompkins.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldenboyGB wrote:
TomRalph wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
TomRalph wrote:

Dobson should be a healthy scratch for the remainder of the year. He just can't be trusted. At all.


That's ridiculous. He has the highest potential of all our receivers and he continues to improve each week. With one less game under his belt due to his inactive status week 1, Dobson has caught 19 balls out of 39 targets for 230 yards. In those 5 games KT has caught 17 balls out of 36 targets for 276 yards.

Dobson has caught 47% of his targets and KT has caught 42% of his targets. Guess they should both be game day inactives from here on out. Time to roll with three slot receivers and Josh Boyce, that's the best thing to do obviously. I mean Boyce has caught 1 of his 6 targets so far this year, and that is clearly the guy who should be on the field instead.



So did Brandon Tate and Taylor Price. Just because we don't have Moss, Welker, Hernandez and Gronk to keep Dobson out of the starting line up, doesn't mean he should be considered better than Price or Tate.

Dobson has been called upon to make plays at important junctures this season and has failed in nearly all of them. When the game isn't on the line or it isn't an important 3rd down, he can (sometimes) make plays, when we really need him, he folds like wet tissue paper.

Essentially, Dobson is Tate or Price but being forced to start because of injuries, unlike Tate and Price, who sat, learned under the tutelage of the coaches and Moss/Welker and sucked, and eventually were cut.

If Dobson and Tate/Price switched circumstances, nothing would change.


Kind of hard to say that when Dobson is a better pure receiver than both the guys your naming. Trust me I understand Dobson isn't lighting it up right now but he's a rookie. Not everyone can come in and just dominate from the start.

His top end speed is quite good, his route running and getting off the line is getting better. To add it all on he has elite hamstrings (for you NBT) seriously though making Dobson a healthy scratch because he's not come up big in some if not most opportunities he's been called upon is more due to the fact he's a rookie still learning.

He's got the most potential in our entire lineup and he's better than any rookie wideout we've drafted. He's going to continue getting snaps and looks from Tom the more that dola misses games.

Gronk is going to do wonders for Dobson and thompkins.


I don't expect Dobson to dominate. I expect his contributions to the offense to be positive. So far, he's had less than a handful of positive plays. Even his TD against the Jets was an easy, wide open catch, a couple of catches in the 1st half of the Atlanta game, and the first half of the New Orleans game, every other time he's been called upon he's either run the wrong route, failed to catch the ball etc. Even the long catch and run against the Bengals was ruined by poor reading of blocks and failing to secure the ball.

I just cannot trust Dobson to make the correct play and execute it to the level that the Patriots offense requires, and for that reason, he shouldn't play until he can be trusted more often than not.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To add it all on he has elite hamstrings (for you NBT)


<3

I can't believe Dobson doesn't have 15 touchdowns already, either. Makes drafting him 1st overall in fantasy look pretty dumb ATM...too bad he can't earn points for his amazing blocks thus far.
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NextBigThing wrote:
GoldenboyGB wrote:
To add it all on he has elite hamstrings (for you NBT)


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I can't believe Dobson doesn't have 15 drops already, either. Makes drafting him 1st overall in fantasy look pretty dumb ATM...too bad he can't earn points for his amazing fumbles thus far.


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TomRalph wrote:
GoldenboyGB wrote:
TomRalph wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
TomRalph wrote:

Dobson should be a healthy scratch for the remainder of the year. He just can't be trusted. At all.


That's ridiculous. He has the highest potential of all our receivers and he continues to improve each week. With one less game under his belt due to his inactive status week 1, Dobson has caught 19 balls out of 39 targets for 230 yards. In those 5 games KT has caught 17 balls out of 36 targets for 276 yards.

Dobson has caught 47% of his targets and KT has caught 42% of his targets. Guess they should both be game day inactives from here on out. Time to roll with three slot receivers and Josh Boyce, that's the best thing to do obviously. I mean Boyce has caught 1 of his 6 targets so far this year, and that is clearly the guy who should be on the field instead.



So did Brandon Tate and Taylor Price. Just because we don't have Moss, Welker, Hernandez and Gronk to keep Dobson out of the starting line up, doesn't mean he should be considered better than Price or Tate.

Dobson has been called upon to make plays at important junctures this season and has failed in nearly all of them. When the game isn't on the line or it isn't an important 3rd down, he can (sometimes) make plays, when we really need him, he folds like wet tissue paper.

Essentially, Dobson is Tate or Price but being forced to start because of injuries, unlike Tate and Price, who sat, learned under the tutelage of the coaches and Moss/Welker and sucked, and eventually were cut.

If Dobson and Tate/Price switched circumstances, nothing would change.


Kind of hard to say that when Dobson is a better pure receiver than both the guys your naming. Trust me I understand Dobson isn't lighting it up right now but he's a rookie. Not everyone can come in and just dominate from the start.

His top end speed is quite good, his route running and getting off the line is getting better. To add it all on he has elite hamstrings (for you NBT) seriously though making Dobson a healthy scratch because he's not come up big in some if not most opportunities he's been called upon is more due to the fact he's a rookie still learning.

He's got the most potential in our entire lineup and he's better than any rookie wideout we've drafted. He's going to continue getting snaps and looks from Tom the more that dola misses games.

Gronk is going to do wonders for Dobson and thompkins.


I don't expect Dobson to dominate. I expect his contributions to the offense to be positive. So far, he's had less than a handful of positive plays. Even his TD against the Jets was an easy, wide open catch, a couple of catches in the 1st half of the Atlanta game, and the first half of the New Orleans game, every other time he's been called upon he's either run the wrong route, failed to catch the ball etc. Even the long catch and run against the Bengals was ruined by poor reading of blocks and failing to secure the ball.

I just cannot trust Dobson to make the correct play and execute it to the level that the Patriots offense requires, and for that reason, he shouldn't play until he can be trusted more often than not.


Tell me then who do you want on the field when Dobson is a healthy scratch. Thompkins and Amendola are basically the guaranteed starters when he's healthy. Next for the current season is Edelman so that's the three set. Four and basically the spot guy collie? The fifth guy basically the nobody just there in case of injury would be Boyce.

Sorry. Unless dobson begins to absolutely stinking in practice he will become a scratch but his playing time is growing not decreasing. I rather Boyce magically end up on IR or at least be the KR man.
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