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Apollo Stallion


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bringing Kubiak back would set this franchise back 4 years. The Texans clearly will be drafting a QB early and Kubiak should not be anywhere near that decision making process or his development. You want a new coach building around his new QB, not some lame duck desperately try to hold onto his job and making short-term decisions to protect himself (like protecting the fragile ego of his QB rather than drafting a viable replacement).
Since when has Kubiak been known for making short term decisions regarding the teams future?

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Bringing back Kubiak is inherently limiting as he will draft the player he feels best fits his system and his antiquated system is a huge part of the problem. Heck, after he so badly mangled our obvious WR need in 2012 by getting cute with the Posey/Martin picks, I would not put it past Kubiak to miss out on one of the elite QBs in this class for yet another lame 1990's prototype Qb like AJ McArron whom he deems "a winner."
And i though Kubiak was the just the Coach and OC but i guess we can add a GM status to his job title.

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Kubiak will end this season with 2 playoff seasons in 8 seasons in a soft division and likely have a career W-L right back at .500
Soft division?Having maybe the best QB of all time in our division had much to do with our inability to make the playoffs earlier and you know it.It's tough to play teams who have those type of players, it's extremely hard to win the division when those players are in it.

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which is about right for this mediocre coordinator/coach who made a bad offense good then enjoyed 2 playoff years largely due to the impact of Wade Phillips taking a defense from average to great.
OMG, really?Seriously?Are you for real?

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Now it's the offense that has been bad for a season and a half and at best, Kubiak may get it back to mediocre again
a year and a half. ok.jpg How were we 6-1 this time last year and with average score of more than 30 ppg. Maybe because of the defense you say... whatever.

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Few coaches get even a 2nd chance in this league, yet Kubiak has been retained after multiple seasons of teams underperforming expectations and their talent level especially the last 6-10 trainwreck and this time, there is absolutely no mistaking who's unit is to blame. At this point he's not only failing as a coordinator, but keeping Marciano, allowing picks like Montgomery, and too many poor on field decisions to count should have cleared up any questions about his ability to lead even if he relinquished the OC reigns. The Texans window has 1 or 2 years left - and it would be a crime to throw another one away thinking that there is something magical Kubiak has been hiding in the first 8.


Buttom line, the Texans "window" does not have 1 or 2 years left, we have a good all around team it just needs to shore up the most important position in Football.[/b]


Bla bla bla. In ONE season Andy Reid has taken the Chiefs from worst in the NFL to nearly the best. The year before, the new Colts regime took them from worst to the playoffs and in the conversation for best. Cleveland, Oakland, and Buffalo all have more wins than us right now - what else does it take as if getting throttled by St. Louis at home didn't tell you EVERYTHING you needed to know about the state of Kubiak's team BEYOND Matt Schaub? Who are you going to blame season 9 on next year? You can keep making excuses for Kubiak all you want, he topped out at 9-7 on his own then collapsed to 6-10 and should have been fired after 5 straight years of failing to deliver a playoff appearance like every other HC in the league has been. Wade was forced on him and delivered two seasons of 10 & 12 win seasons but two seasons in a row the team fell apart down the stretch and flopped in the Divisional round.

His abuse of Arian Foster's workload last year and subsequent dropoff in performance and injuries this year was as predictable a consequence as sticking an immobile QB who doesn't operate well with pressure behind a deficient o-line two seasons in a row and not adjusting his playbook in 3 seasons since lil Shanny left. Those were poor DECISIONs just like all of his pathetic DECISIONS to repeatedly run inside the 10 and settle for field goals, asinine playcalls like emptying the backfield and the naked boot, and clock management skills that haven't improved in 8 seasons. Who made the DECISION to cut Erik Winston for this garbage 7th RT who CONTINUES TO START despite being the WORST offensive lineman in football 2 seasons in a row? Who has an offensive gameplan that still runs thru our various 4th round TEs and ignores the 1st round pick until he subs for our hall of famer. Who sticks with an offensive gameplan in 2013 that has no use for receivers with speed or utilizes the slot receiver? Hell, at least those were DECISIONS that were made as he just chose not to make a decision with Special Teams Coordinator despite that unit's contributions to multiple losses over the past 3 seasons and again this season. The lack of accountability runs from Bob down the line, but what is most upsetting is the press and the fans willingness to just accept this abortion of a season is just Matt Schaub's fault when the seeds of this collapse have taken hold since the first New England loss last year and have continued unabated with Gary clearly clueless on how to stop it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The chiefs aren't a top 5 in the nfl. Andy Reid lucked into a situation that's worked out in his favor.

Chiefs have the easiest schedule in the NFL so far this season with a SOS of .328

They have a great defense but a very anemic offense
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The chiefs aren't a top 5 in the nfl. Andy Reid lucked into a situation that's worked out in his favor.

Chiefs have the easiest schedule in the NFL so far this season with a SOS of .328

They have a great defense but a very anemic offense


How can you possibly criticise their offense, but fail to acknowledge our "offensive gurus" multiple failings?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apollo Stallion wrote:

Bla bla bla. In ONE season Andy Reid has taken the Chiefs from worst in the NFL to nearly the best.

You are evading my post respond as you always do so well.
This happens, newly appointed coaches can get the most out of teams but usually they fall hard soon after, maybe because of lack of discipline.

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His abuse of Arian Foster's workload last year and subsequent dropoff in performance and injuries this year was as predictable a consequence as sticking an immobile QB who doesn't operate well with pressure behind a deficient o-line two seasons in a row and not adjusting his playbook in 3 seasons since lil Shanny left. Those were poor DECISIONs just like all of his pathetic DECISIONS to repeatedly run inside the 10 and settle for field goals, asinine playcalls like emptying the backfield and the naked boot, and clock management skills that haven't improved in 8 seasons. Who made the DECISION to cut Erik Winston for this garbage 7th RT who CONTINUES TO START despite being the WORST offensive lineman in football 2 seasons in a row? Who has an offensive gameplan that still runs thru our various 4th round TEs and ignores the 1st round pick until he subs for our hall of famer. Who sticks with an offensive gameplan in 2013 that has no use for receivers with speed or utilizes the slot receiver? Hell, at least those were DECISIONS that were made as he just chose not to make a decision with Special Teams Coordinator despite that unit's contributions to multiple losses over the past 3 seasons and again this season. The lack of accountability runs from Bob down the line, but what is most upsetting is the press and the fans willingness to just accept this abortion of a season is just Matt Schaub's fault when the seeds of this collapse have taken hold since the first New England loss last year and have continued unabated with Gary clearly clueless on how to stop it.


1.Kubaik has been adjusting his playbook, and i know you are smart enough to have noticed that.
2.Rick Smith is prob the one who let Winston go.
Look, we have invested heavily on the defense so the offense has had to let players go and this is really the first season since 2006 that the offense has been sub par.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has a less succesful coach ever remained in the same job as long as Kubiak?

Tom Landry


Thats a reach.


Am i wrong though?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raz wrote:
texans_uk wrote:
Raz wrote:
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Has a less succesful coach ever remained in the same job as long as Kubiak?

Tom Landry


Thats a reach.


Am i wrong though?


He started coaching 50 years ago, it's a different world today. So whilst you're not technically wrong, it's not in any way comparable.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whats Gary Kubiaks career afc south record?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ServantofYHWH wrote:
whats Gary Kubiaks career afc south record?

20-23
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raz wrote:
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whats Gary Kubiaks career afc south record?

20-23


no bueno
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone hear the Dre show this morning on 610?
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