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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:57 pm    Post subject: Let's talk about Pernell McPhee Reply with quote

He looked so good as a 3-4 DE, and now they've essentially buried him in the depth chart at 3-4 OLB where he's obviously not that good.

Do you guys think after this year, when Chris Canty is most likely gone, they'll move him back to 3-4 DE across from Arthur Jones (or if Jones is gone, across from Canty or whoever)? I personally would love to see that happen.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is Canty-Ngata-Williams is the starting front next year. Either way I think Williams is taking the 3rd spot that gets vacated by Jones or Canty.

I really just don't think he's ever had the ideal size to be an every down player at that spot.

Side note, don't forget Kapron Lewis-Moore. He's a beast.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DontTazeMeBro wrote:
My guess is Canty-Ngata-Williams is the starting front next year. Either way I think Williams is taking the 3rd spot that gets vacated by Jones or Canty.

I really just don't think he's ever had the ideal size to be an every down player at that spot.

Side note, don't forget Kapron Lewis-Moore. He's a beast.

I think it would be smarter to move Ngata back outside to 34 DE. He hasn't been as dominant at NT as DE. While Williams hasn't proven to be a huge downgrade when stepping in for Ngata at NT.

Part of the reason for moving Ngata inside was to keep him healthy... that hasn't worked. So we might as well kick him back outside for more dominant play and just rotate him in and out with Kapron Lewis Moore and Pernell McPhee... both of whom should see plenty of playing/starting time behind Canty/Ngata, two players with significant durability concerns.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McPhee didn't really look good as a 3-4 DE; rather as a pass-rush specialist. I actually think he's probably best as a 4-3 DE and that's the type of role he should be used in. When he has had playing time this year he's been fairly decent and that has been as an edge player (whether at 3-4 OLB or on the line).

After this season I'd assume the line is probably going to be Ngata-Williams-Canty. Jones is pretty much guaranteed to leave for bigger money elsewhere. I think they re-sign Cody to a smaller deal if they can. He looked a lot better early on this season before he got hurt and they would need a backup NT. Spears and Tyson would still be around for depth too. Add in McPhee as the pass-rush specialist on the line and they're pretty much set.

EDIT - And I forgot about Lewis-Moore. He should be a decent depth player at the least. Maybe they let Tyson go or just move Tyson in to NT and don't bring Cody back. I'm pretty content with the DL even with the likely departure of Jones.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ I don't think Cody would resign. He'd clearly be the backup here behind Brandon Williams and it's not a good scheme fit for him.

He could go elsewhere, probably get paid slightly more, and compete for a starting spot. I think he's as good as gone as well.
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In terms of the backup NT, that's a good question who we'd put there. I think we'd probably sign an UDFA NT to come in and compete with Williams and Tyson.

Personally I think Marcus Spears will be cut. He's owed $1.25m next season and with the influx of young talent and depth, he won't really be worth it. He only would cost 300k against the cap as well, so signing a rookie NT as opposed to keeping Spears could net a difference of about 700k or so... which might not seem like much, but that's enough to sign two rookies... or extra dollars for Monroe. We're tight against the cap, we won't be in need of an unproductive veteran.

Canty is probably unlikely to be cut. It depends on how he finishes the year with injuries and play. Cutting him would leave about $1.33m in dead money, but would save us from paying his 500k roster bonus and his $2m salary. So cutting Canty would net about $1.2m in savings- the only ticker is, we'd have to cut him before the draft. Meaning we'd be down four DL defenders (Jones, Spears, Cody, and Canty) without knowing who would be available to replace all of those guys. Signing a useful veteran depth would also cost much of what we'd save with cutting Canty, but the player likely wouldn't be as good.

So given how important the DL was to fix for Ozzie, I doubt we'd get rid of such an important piece. The only way I see us cutting Canty is if we keep Spears, but I think Canty's pass rush is well worth his additional 300k in savings over Spears.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seriously doubt there's any way we resign Art Jones. I think he gets a deal similar to Cullen Jenkins based on his level of productivity rushing the passer. He could be a target of either a 3-4 team for the DE spot or as an UT in a 4-3 look. I think Ozzie will take the 4th round compensatory pick and move on. As has been mentioned Lewis-Moore is likely in the plans to replace Jones after the IR "redshirt" year.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've actually liked McPhee's play this year as a pass-rush specialist. They move him around between defensive end and outside linebacker but either way he's been getting at the QB at a decent rate and he's got a real talent for getting into passing lanes and batting balls down. He'll never be a full-time starting end in a 3-4 defense if he can't learn to play the run better but he's a solid auxiliary player for now and might eventually find himself starting elsewhere if he moves to a more 4-3 oriented system.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think McPhee's been hampered by injuries (obviously), but also by the coaches asking him to put on weight, then asking him to lose it again, seemingly trying to mould him into something recognisable as a prototypical 3-4 DE, then wanting him to play OLB.

I like his prospects as an OLB more though, because I think he's got more of a chance to round his game out in that position. He's likely to always be more of a pass rusher than a run defender, but he can be valuable in that role.

And yeah, he'd probably have more success as a DE in a 4-3, so who knows what teams might see that and try to snag him as a FA when the time comes. Similar to Kruger in that respect, really. McPhee was a great UDFA pickup, but he's never been an ideal fit for the Ravens' system.

As for the starting front next year, I agree it's likely to be Canty - Williams - Ngata, because Jones will almost definitely be gone. I have high hopes for Lewis-Moore, and I guess DeAngelo Tyson will still be around too. Spears and Cody probably won't be.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mancunian Raven wrote:

And yeah, he'd probably have more success as a DE in a 4-3, so who knows what teams might see that and try to snag him as a FA when the time comes. Similar to Kruger in that respect, really. McPhee was a great UDFA pickup, but he's never been an ideal fit for the Ravens' system.


McPhee was a 5th round compensatory pick.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sp6488 wrote:
Mancunian Raven wrote:

And yeah, he'd probably have more success as a DE in a 4-3, so who knows what teams might see that and try to snag him as a FA when the time comes. Similar to Kruger in that respect, really. McPhee was a great UDFA pickup, but he's never been an ideal fit for the Ravens' system.


McPhee was a 5th round compensatory pick.


Yeah, I lumped him in with the other 'Mcs' on defense, McClain and McClellan, who were both UDFA.

Still, his rookie season was decent for a 5th round pick.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mancunian Raven wrote:
sp6488 wrote:
Mancunian Raven wrote:

And yeah, he'd probably have more success as a DE in a 4-3, so who knows what teams might see that and try to snag him as a FA when the time comes. Similar to Kruger in that respect, really. McPhee was a great UDFA pickup, but he's never been an ideal fit for the Ravens' system.


McPhee was a 5th round compensatory pick.


Yeah, I lumped him in with the other 'Mcs' on defense, McClain and McClellan, who were both UDFA.

Still, his rookie season was decent for a 5th round pick.


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