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DirtyHarry


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Getting Jacoby involved is the next phase of this offenses evolution.

No CB can stay with Jacoby going deep. Remember the pick TP threw against Seatle in the preseason. JFord had a step and a half on his man.

The ball was under thrown.


Teams are going to try and take away the short intermediate stuff. If Pryor can hit Jacoby deep. That will put fear into Defenses hearts.

Remember how Jacoby
1. Took a sure pick from KC24 his rookie year and then burned him deep for the win. No CB in the NFL can stay with Jacoby. But the QB has to put the ball close ... I started to say on the money. But I've never seen a WR take surefire picks from CBs the way JFord does ... he did it earlier this season.

JFord is a game breaker ... we just have to learn how to use him.

If Tp can learn to hit the receiver in stride with his deep ball sure run jacoby on some fly routes. I just think at this point he's a return specialist and that TP shouldn't force him the ball.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ford is basically that #4 wr/st specialist type of wr that can stretch the field and occasionally surprise with a catch here or there.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ford is basically that #4 wr/st specialist type of wr that can stretch the field and occasionally surprise with a catch here or there.


That's how we are using him. But he has more juice than that.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wizardg wrote:
NCOUGHMAN wrote:
ford is basically that #4 wr/st specialist type of wr that can stretch the field and occasionally surprise with a catch here or there.


That's how we are using him. But he has more juice than that.
yea but his injury history makes it a toss up and I'm happy with his role now. Sure you would want him to play more wr but at what cost? Iirc he gets injured as a wr more than a returner but I could be wrong
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Don't need to be mocked every time I post, or for someone to pick at a simple mistake. That sure does add a lot of value to the discussion.


Man you have to excuse a lot of the keyboard tough guys on this forum. They get there little panties in a bunch anytime someone other that the "regulars" post or has a view different than theirs.

I actually agree with you. I would like to see Jacoby get some more opportunities but I also wonder if the foot injuries have taken away some of his explosiveness. He doesn't look quite the same to me yet. I'm hoping he's just taking time to work himeself back into rookie year form. If we can get him going that would be another dangerous weapon!


Well when your username is "reggiesucks" you kind of bring it upon yourself don't you?


That's my opinion. You may think he's "Ozzie Newsome". I think he's performed below average. Hopefully he can learn on the job and get better. When I think he doesn't suck anymore or Mark Davis runs him out of Oak I will change the screen name!

Just curious do u give him any credit for how the defense is much improved considering he brought in all the new starters ?


I agree the D is improved which the credit has to be given to RM/DA. It's been totally rebuilt sans Houston and Branch.

I think RM is learning from some of the mistakes he made coming through the door which is a good sign but you still have to admit (as someone pointed out in a thread about RM) the majority of the play makers on this team are still courtesy of AL. Including most important 3 pieces (Pryor, Houston, Veldeer).

Personally I think RM should be given another year to see his plan through but in todays NFL no team should take 4-5 years to turn around. That's BS! This team should be competetive this year (6 - 9) wins and next year they need to be in the hunt for a playoff spot.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wizardg wrote:
Getting Jacoby involved is the next phase of this offenses evolution.

No CB can stay with Jacoby going deep. Remember the pick TP threw against Seatle in the preseason. JFord had a step and a half on his man.

The ball was under thrown.


Teams are going to try and take away the short intermediate stuff. If Pryor can hit Jacoby deep. That will put fear into Defenses hearts.

Remember how Jacoby
1. Took a sure pick from KC24 his rookie year and then burned him deep for the win. No CB in the NFL can stay with Jacoby. But the QB has to put the ball close ... I started to say on the money. But I've never seen a WR take surefire picks from CBs the way JFord does ... he did it earlier this season.

JFord is a game breaker ... we just have to learn how to use him.


A lot of that stuff is ancient history. Ford did that stuff all pretty much before the injuries took hold. There is a reason that he isn't getting on the field and the young guys are getting all the reps. Like I said earlier, his time may be past.
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...the majority of the play makers on this team are still courtesy of AL. Including most important 3 pieces (Pryor, Houston, Veldeer).


That is certainly not true. Two of those guys are playing and one is not. And Veldheer is not a playmaker at all at OT. And looking at our roster, there are not too many players left on this team from the Al Davis era. These are probably 95% Reggie's guys.

Remember, DMC and Ford are not really producing. Guys that Reggie brought in to either to complement them or compete with them are making all of the plays right now.
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DOCLEW 28 wrote:
Reggiesucks wrote:
...the majority of the play makers on this team are still courtesy of AL. Including most important 3 pieces (Pryor, Houston, Veldeer).


That is certainly not true. Two of those guys are playing and one is not. And Veldheer is not a playmaker at all at OT. And looking at our roster, there are not too many players left on this team from the Al Davis era. These are probably 95% Reggie's guys.

Remember, DMC and Ford are not really producing. Guys that Reggie brought in to either to complement them or compete with them are making all of the plays right now.


What's funny are these guys that were piled praise upon in Oakland at times are doing nothing:

Shaugnessy - 10 tackles thus far in AZ
DHB - 13 catches 135 yards w/ Luck as his QB.
Mitchell - 10 tackles and and INT
Wheeler - Being exposed in pass coverage each week in Miami
Myers - ho hum in NY right now w/ 1 TD
Bryant - 3.5 sacks (I wanted to keep him)

These are just from this season. But you can't really find any former Raiders making names from themselves elsewhere and that expands literally 10 years w/ the exception being Woodson in GB.

Just shows the lack of overall talent acquired.
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DOCLEW 28 wrote:
Reggiesucks wrote:
...the majority of the play makers on this team are still courtesy of AL. Including most important 3 pieces (Pryor, Houston, Veldeer).


That is certainly not true. Two of those guys are playing and one is not. And Veldheer is not a playmaker at all at OT. And looking at our roster, there are not too many players left on this team from the Al Davis era. These are probably 95% Reggie's guys.

Remember, DMC and Ford are not really producing. Guys that Reggie brought in to either to complement them or compete with them are making all of the plays right now.


First off I said play makers and you obviously never coach because linemen make plays just as skills do. Even if you disagree with whos a playmaker my point was our best 3 players were drafted by AL (Pryor, Houston, Veldeer). The best offensice players we have are Pryor, Moore, Streater and Reese.

You also need check your math. 95% of 53 (NFL Roster ) is approximately 50 players. There are 13 players on the roster drafted by AL . 9 of them are starters (of course Veldheer and Branch are injured).

Pryor
McFadden
Reese
Ausberry
Moore
Ford
Veldeer (Temp IR)
Wisnieski
Houston
Woodson
T Jones
Branch (IR)
Janikowski
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Woodson doesn't really count. Laughing

When did Tyvon go on IR? I don't remember that happening.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Woodson doesn't really count. Laughing

When did Tyvon go on IR? I don't remember that happening.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Woodson doesn't really count. Laughing

When did Tyvon go on IR? I don't remember that happening.
kinda ironic how a ot is harder to replace than a db.
See: branch and jv
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Woodson doesn't really count. Laughing

When did Tyvon go on IR? I don't remember that happening.
kinda ironic how a ot is harder to replace than a db.
See: branch and jv


Well, I mean no position is easy to replace when your backup there gets hurt too. Laughing


I thought he wasn't. Thanks for the sanity check r4l.
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he definitely doesn't have his old explosiveness back - think he ever will?
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DirtyHarry wrote:
wizardg wrote:
Getting Jacoby involved is the next phase of this offenses evolution.

No CB can stay with Jacoby going deep. Remember the pick TP threw against Seatle in the preseason. JFord had a step and a half on his man.

The ball was under thrown.


Teams are going to try and take away the short intermediate stuff. If Pryor can hit Jacoby deep. That will put fear into Defenses hearts.

Remember how Jacoby
1. Took a sure pick from KC24 his rookie year and then burned him deep for the win. No CB in the NFL can stay with Jacoby. But the QB has to put the ball close ... I started to say on the money. But I've never seen a WR take surefire picks from CBs the way JFord does ... he did it earlier this season.

JFord is a game breaker ... we just have to learn how to use him.

If Tp can learn to hit the receiver in stride with his deep ball sure run jacoby on some fly routes. I just think at this point he's a return specialist and that TP shouldn't force him the ball.


+1

Ford's skill set doesn't play to Pryor strengths. He needs bigger WRs that come back to the ball.
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