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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteelKing728 wrote:
Pre draft I compared Josh Freeman to Ben Roethlisberger.

Fair comparison or not?


maybe, but i think Big Ben's biggest attribute is his ability to improvise, which i don't know if Freeman can really do.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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right. Fran never says anything of substance, or goes on the line with anything. he just fills space with his junior high school level 1000 word essays and collects his check.


Oh so that's why you're such a big fan of his! :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SodakViking wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
Pre draft I compared Josh Freeman to Ben Roethlisberger.

Fair comparison or not?


maybe, but i think Big Ben's biggest attribute is his ability to improvise, which i don't know if Freeman can really do.


What do you mean by improvising? His ability to move around the pocket to buy time for himself without scrambling?

He showed quite a bit of that his rookie season. You can see glimpses here: http://youtu.be/Dc2Cf2HMaL0
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
SodakViking wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
Pre draft I compared Josh Freeman to Ben Roethlisberger.

Fair comparison or not?


maybe, but i think Big Ben's biggest attribute is his ability to improvise, which i don't know if Freeman can really do.


What do you mean by improvising? His ability to move around the pocket to buy time for himself without scrambling?

He showed quite a bit of that his rookie season. You can see glimpses here: http://youtu.be/Dc2Cf2HMaL0


Yeah that's what I meant. And I said I don't if freeman can because I really didn't know. Laughing
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I don't care who starts. What's important here is that the Vikings have finally given up hope of Ponder being a franchise QB. That's good enough for me to be happy for the remainder of the year.


Yep, that's pretty much my thinking too. Ponder was never going to get us anywhere, so the sooner we get off that bus bound for nowhere, the sooner we can get back to going in the right direction.
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Klomp wrote:
vike daddy wrote:
right. Fran never says anything of substance, or goes on the line with anything. he just fills space with his junior high school level 1000 word essays and collects his check.


Oh so that's why you're such a big fan of his! Laughing

pushin' the limit there, son... pushin' the limit.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
SodakViking wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
Pre draft I compared Josh Freeman to Ben Roethlisberger.

Fair comparison or not?


maybe, but i think Big Ben's biggest attribute is his ability to improvise, which i don't know if Freeman can really do.


What do you mean by improvising? His ability to move around the pocket to buy time for himself without scrambling?

He showed quite a bit of that his rookie season. You can see glimpses here: http://youtu.be/Dc2Cf2HMaL0

I like the way he set the ref up as a blocker in that first play.
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Klomp wrote:


He's 6'2" of human and 4" of fauxhawk.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He might add another inch if he goes back to this look:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He might add another inch if he goes back to this look:



Loved him in Saved By the Bell.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This could come in handy, considering how Musgrave likes his QB to roll to the left: http://youtu.be/O1VogoHOrow
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As we know, the quarterback gets too much credit and takes too much blame for most situations on offense. So let me start by saying Freeman's position certainly amplified his issues with the Buccaneers. When I re-examined all of Freeman's throws thus far in 2013, I came away confident in my opinion that his benching -- and ensuing release -- wasn't warranted. Moreover, I'm convinced Freeman has it within him to be a good quarterback in the NFL. And he'll prove it in Minnesota.

I'm not about to give Freeman a free pass for the Bucs' struggles, but he was a victim as often as he was a perpetrator.

Start with the pass protection. In Freeman's 103 dropbacks in 2013, he was under pressure on 26 of them, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Compare that to Peyton Manning, who has felt pressure on just 29 of his 245 dropbacks to date in 2013, and you get a decent idea of the uphill battle Freeman was fighting the first three weeks.

When I look at Freeman, I see prototypical size and arm strength for the quarterback position and he's been more reliable on deep passes than Ponder since the start of 2012, with Freeman completing 32.5 percent of his throws more than 20 yards compared to 24.5 percent for Ponder. Keep in mind that this was with 34 more attempts for Freeman. I think we'll see the Vikings be more successful on some of those deep-shot calls and off play-action with Freeman under center. And that element makes me think he's the best bet to win the job going forward, so long as he makes good decisions with the football.


Some quotes from Ron Jaworski on our new QB.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/228370111.html
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bodysuit Man wrote:
disaacs wrote:
He might add another inch if he goes back to this look:



Loved him in Saved By the Bell.


Haha that fits perfect!
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Honestly, I think it's too soon to say Freeman isn't the answer. I don't think people truly understand the position Freeman was in yesterday. It was essentially a preseason game for him. Between the lack of play calling verbiage, lack of run game, lack of timing, a pourus offensive line, and having to put the ball up 50+ times, you couldn't realistically expect him to succeed. He was setup to fail but some people were just looking at it as he can't be worse than Ponder/Cassel. I don't think he is worse but the timing was terrible and I put that Spielman/Frazier. Matt Cassel said he got the feeling the coaches knew what they were going to do with the QB position before the Carolina game. The organization was looking ahead to next year, rather than putting out the QB who gave us the best chance to win.
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