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JBURGE25


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blankman0021 wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
i'm sure some will blame our s&c staff for this somehow Laughing


NOT ENOUGH THUMB EXERCISES!


Yeah this is one of the injuries that you don't really blame anythig but bad luck.

At least this will also give Clay time to fully heal his hammy too
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBURGE25 wrote:
blankman0021 wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
i'm sure some will blame our s&c staff for this somehow Laughing


NOT ENOUGH THUMB EXERCISES!


Yeah this is one of the injuries that you don't really blame anythig but bad luck.

At least this will also give Clay time to fully heal his hammy too

You say that, but look at how happy Jim Harbaugh is as he shows off the thumb exercises he uses with the 49ers.


Thanks a lot TT!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBURGE25 wrote:
At least this will also give Clay time to fully heal his hammy too


His hamstring is broken. This will last throughout his career probably.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Macc_Aviv wrote:
JBURGE25 wrote:
blankman0021 wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
i'm sure some will blame our s&c staff for this somehow Laughing


NOT ENOUGH THUMB EXERCISES!


Yeah this is one of the injuries that you don't really blame anythig but bad luck.

At least this will also give Clay time to fully heal his hammy too

You say that, but look at how happy Jim Harbaugh is as he shows off the thumb exercises he uses with the 49ers.


Thanks a lot TT!


All the alpha's understand the importance of thumb exercises



Deep thumb extensions though...

Full blame on CMIII.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This one sucks for sure. I don't view it as an excuse for bad football though. This years Packers team has too much talent on that side of the ball for me to buy into that crap. Kinda how I felt about the Lions fans going off over this past weekends game without CJ. Sure that injury hurt. But the Packers shut down a team with a great QB, LT, RB, #1-TE, #2-TE, and a host of solid if not special WR's. Don't blame the injury, blame the others for not picking up their game.

LIS, this one sucks. Will be fun to see Perry do what he does best though. Let him pin them back and get after it over the weak side. Have little doubt Neal can set the point on the other side. Is it Clay? Hell no, but sure as hell good enough with the rest of the talent around them.

Good luck running on this group as well. FRICKIN HUGE up front in base with a combo of Perry, Neal, Pickett, Raji, and Jolly.


palmy,

Did you notice anything different when Perry was coming from the ROLB position vs the left? To me, he looked more comfortable and seemed to be better able to utilize the skills he flashed in college. The first sack, he seemed to bend and get the corner very well and leverage his way to Stafford.

Does flipping Neal and Perry from side to side lessen the chance the OT gets a feel for how to best set up against each players pass rush?


Before I go into this one let me just say that when Clay comes back I want him on the weak side. I view this very much so the same way I do RT/LT. I want my best pass rusher playing the weak side just like I want my best pass blocker on the QB's blind side.

Now, as for the A to the Q.

I just feel playing the weak side in this system comes with MUCH different roles. My core issue with Perry on draft day was that his play was not in line with his body. He looks stout as they come at scale but he is a speed guy at heart. His role on the other side does not come easy for him. Neal is a far more physical football player and though his god given set might fall a bit short of Perry's his style of play is far more in line with what is asked at the strong side rush-LB spot in this Capers system.

In short, Perry's game plays better on the weak side right now. It comes natural for him. Much of what is asked over there he has been doing since high school.


Could this temporary situation actually vault Neal into the starting lineup? I mean, if he plays stout on his side and Perry rushes better from Clays spot, could that push Neal ahead of Perry and Perry be the first LB off the bench?


Doubt it. I kinda like what they have been doing with Neal up until this point. Do think Neal might be a better strong side rush-LB in this Capers system than Perry is as it stands today. That said, Perry still has a ton of upside I for one would not be willing to sit at this point. Needs reps more than anything IMO. I said some time back that I might be willing to lite a fire under Perry with Neal in mind. Maybe this will do so and this terrible injury will play out well for the Packers in the long run.
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palmy50 wrote:
blankman0021 wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
squire12 wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
This one sucks for sure. I don't view it as an excuse for bad football though. This years Packers team has too much talent on that side of the ball for me to buy into that crap. Kinda how I felt about the Lions fans going off over this past weekends game without CJ. Sure that injury hurt. But the Packers shut down a team with a great QB, LT, RB, #1-TE, #2-TE, and a host of solid if not special WR's. Don't blame the injury, blame the others for not picking up their game.

LIS, this one sucks. Will be fun to see Perry do what he does best though. Let him pin them back and get after it over the weak side. Have little doubt Neal can set the point on the other side. Is it Clay? Hell no, but sure as hell good enough with the rest of the talent around them.

Good luck running on this group as well. FRICKIN HUGE up front in base with a combo of Perry, Neal, Pickett, Raji, and Jolly.


palmy,

Did you notice anything different when Perry was coming from the ROLB position vs the left? To me, he looked more comfortable and seemed to be better able to utilize the skills he flashed in college. The first sack, he seemed to bend and get the corner very well and leverage his way to Stafford.

Does flipping Neal and Perry from side to side lessen the chance the OT gets a feel for how to best set up against each players pass rush?


Before I go into this one let me just say that when Clay comes back I want him on the weak side. I view this very much so the same way I do RT/LT. I want my best pass rusher playing the weak side just like I want my best pass blocker on the QB's blind side.

Now, as for the A to the Q.

I just feel playing the weak side in this system comes with MUCH different roles. My core issue with Perry on draft day was that his play was not in line with his body. He looks stout as they come at scale but he is a speed guy at heart. His role on the other side does not come easy for him. Neal is a far more physical football player and though his god given set might fall a bit short of Perry's his style of play is far more in line with what is asked at the strong side rush-LB spot in this Capers system.

In short, Perry's game plays better on the weak side right now. It comes natural for him. Much of what is asked over there he has been doing since high school.


Could this temporary situation actually vault Neal into the starting lineup? I mean, if he plays stout on his side and Perry rushes better from Clays spot, could that push Neal ahead of Perry and Perry be the first LB off the bench?


Doubt it. I kinda like what they have been doing with Neal up until this point. Do think Neal might be a better strong side rush-LB in this Capers system than Perry is as it stands today. That said, Perry still has a ton of upside I for one would not be willing to sit at this point. Needs reps more than anything IMO. I said some time back that I might be willing to lite a fire under Perry with Neal in mind. Maybe this will do so and this terrible injury will play out well for the Packers in the long run.
Maybe they can now free Clay up and move him around to find the mismatch. Clay and Brad Jones would be deadly inside rushers and gets Hawk off the field on passing downs, Clay covers way better than Hawk. Our just use Clay like the Hawks use Bruce Irvin. That would keep him healthy and fresh the entire season.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm calling a Packer will get an injury this year no athlete has ever got. Maybe like a strained earlobe
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Speaking of Brad Jones, any news about him?
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ICYM last night. Clay matthews injury Called a Bennett fracture. Thumb needed to be stabilized w pins as it was dislocated. Pins out in 4 weeks and then probably some more time to heal
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JayGlazer
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ICYM last night. Clay matthews injury Called a Bennett fracture. Thumb needed to be stabilized w pins as it was dislocated. Pins out in 4 weeks and then probably some more time to heal


Isn't this why God created "The Club" so players with hand and finger injuries can continue playing. I totally don't get it - a month or longer?
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The good thing is we got most of the doozies out of the way already. Really no truly "difficult" match ups on the remainder of our schedule.
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gizmo2012 wrote:
Atari-XXX wrote:
JayGlazer
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ICYM last night. Clay matthews injury Called a Bennett fracture. Thumb needed to be stabilized w pins as it was dislocated. Pins out in 4 weeks and then probably some more time to heal


Isn't this why God created "The Club" so players with hand and finger injuries can continue playing. I totally don't get it - a month or longer?


I played with a club so I can repeat essentially what they docs told me. If they are able to set your bone(s) back in place manually and cast it up, then they can put a club on that and you can play. If the bones don't set back in place, then they need to surgically put them back and hold them with pins or screws, thus you can't club that up and risk knocking out the pins.

Luckily for me my wrist was able to be set back in place (although excruciatingly painfully) and I could use the club. Matthews needed his repaired with the surgery.
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A month and more for a thumb? He is the laughing stock in MN right now. I have not heard the end of it all day. "What did he do break a nail?" Mad Mad Mad
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A month and more for a thumb? He is the laughing stock in MN right now. I have not heard the end of it all day. "What did he do break a nail?" Mad Mad Mad


why would anyone ever question a thumb injury?

thumbs are sorta frickin important for doing human type things much less football type things...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kampman74 wrote:
A month and more for a thumb? He is the laughing stock in MN right now. I have not heard the end of it all day. "What did he do break a nail?" Mad Mad Mad


Let's be honest, the Vikings are the laughing stock of MN right now
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