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Dr. Philly


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vick has been solid, don't really feel either way right now tbh
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Vick is not even playing well this season, he only looks decent because of Chip's system. He's still holding the ball too long, he's taking too many sacks and he's still making dumb throws that luckily for us haven't been picked off. He's not throwing the ball against man coverage unless it's to DeSean.


The key thing you have stated is Chip Kelly's system.

Despite what you think of how poorly he's played, and despite leaving points on the field because he hasn't been perfect, Vick is still 10th in the league in total TDs right now (7) and 4th in total yards (1308).

Chip Kelly has a very QB friendly system, which is why you won't need some elite traditional stud that's a once every 5 year prospect, for him to produce like a top 5 QB.

That was the MO of Chip Kelly in college and I expect much more of the same in the NFL.

The one thing that will be the downfall of a Chip Kelly run NFL team is if he doesn't have enough talent defensively. So while offense may be the focus of all the fans and media, it's the Eagles defense that will ultimately determine their ceiling in the regular and post-season.

Because Chip Kelly is going to have the Eagles offense consistently playing at a top 5-10 level in the league.

The focus should be on fixing a defense that is on pace to be the worst of all-time.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meco wrote:
Vick is not even playing well this season, he only looks decent because of Chip's system. He's still holding the ball too long, he's taking too many sacks and he's still making dumb throws that luckily for us haven't been picked off. He's not throwing the ball against man coverage unless it's to DeSean.


So now Vick gets a knock because he is only playing better because he is in "Chips system"? Name me another QB that doesn't live or die by the same standard? Rothlesberger with Arians- Rothlesberger with Haley? Brees with Payton- Brees without? Rivers with Turner-Rivers without. RGIII, Luck, Wilson, Kaep all aided by the systems created for them.

It's hard not to hold onto the ball longer when your WR's get ZERO SEPERATION when running routes. When your entire WR corps including Desean can't seem to beat one on one coverage how on earth is that his fault, seriously. He's taking sacks because the right side of the line has been abused regularly. Herremans and Lane have been downright pathetic. Damn near Watkins/Justice esq'. When your QB is getting sandblasted the mili-second he completes a 5 step drop, there are issues much larger then QB. Fix those and watch his play increase 10 fold.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's be honest, some aren't being objective because they have Vick fatigue. Many were certain that Vick had no chance to be back on the team this year even with the signing of Chip Kelly. Many then convinced themselves that Foles would start over Vick. And I understand how Vick can drive people crazy with his inconsistency. But in his defense through the first quarter of the season, Vick's lack of consistency has been the least of the Eagles problems.

The Eagles absolutely have to abandon the ridiculous zone defense they have been in since week 2 that they clearly don't have the personnel to play. They need to play man and blitz with press coverage and at least their defense could maybe look respectable instead of being on pace to give up most yards and first downs in NFL history.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is Vick's 4th year as the starter. How can anyone advocate keeping him around if we have another losing season with him at the helm? He has had more than enough time to "prove" himself. We have gotten worse every single year since he took over for McNabb. This season is far from over and it'd be hard to be any worse than we were last year, but right now it doesn't look like we will be much better.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So BBIB is Marcus vick right?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hammertime52 wrote:
So BBIB is Marcus vick right?



or some other relative.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JayAp07 wrote:
This is Vick's 4th year as the starter. How can anyone advocate keeping him around if we have another losing season with him at the helm? He has had more than enough time to "prove" himself. We have gotten worse every single year since he took over for McNabb. This season is far from over and it'd be hard to be any worse than we were last year, but right now it doesn't look like we will be much better.


Exactly, ever since Vick has joined our team we've gone from bad to worse. Whilst a proportion of this is on the defense, a fair chunk of its on the inconsistency of the QB position.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to turn this into a Vick thread, but does anyone really think he's going to be anywhere near effective going forward. He's 33, he'll be 34 next year. Those reactions are going to get slower and slower. Nothing he can do about it, he's just getting old.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marky_b27 wrote:
Not to turn this into a Vick thread, but does anyone really think he's going to be anywhere near effective going forward. He's 33, he'll be 34 next year. Those reactions are going to get slower and slower. Nothing he can do about it, he's just getting old.

He hasn't even proven that he can stay healthy all year. We all know something will happen at some point this season. Maybe even today.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phire wrote:
marky_b27 wrote:
Not to turn this into a Vick thread, but does anyone really think he's going to be anywhere near effective going forward. He's 33, he'll be 34 next year. Those reactions are going to get slower and slower. Nothing he can do about it, he's just getting old.

He hasn't even proven that he can stay healthy all year. We all know something will happen at some point this season. Maybe even today.


Yeh - he's been dinged about this season.

This is why we need to get away from the dual threat QB. The mentality is just going to invite more hits on the QB.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000256681/article/jadeveon-clowney-sits-out-win-steve-spurrier-less-than-pleased

To add fuel to the anti-Clowney fire

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South Carolina star defensive end Jadeveon Clowney sat out the Gamecocks' win over Kentucky, reportedly with bruised ribs. But after the game, coach Steve Spurrier sounded like a coach fed up with excuses. The junior, who is among the top early-entry candidates for the 2014 NFL Draft, missed practice Thursday but was expected to play. In fact, he was announced before the game as a starter, and Spurrier and Gamecocks defensive coordinator Lorenzo Ward indicated they were unaware Clowney wouldn't play until he informed them just before kickoff.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000256681/article/jadeveon-clowney-sits-out-win-steve-spurrier-less-than-pleased

To add fuel to the anti-Clowney fire

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South Carolina star defensive end Jadeveon Clowney sat out the Gamecocks' win over Kentucky, reportedly with bruised ribs. But after the game, coach Steve Spurrier sounded like a coach fed up with excuses. The junior, who is among the top early-entry candidates for the 2014 NFL Draft, missed practice Thursday but was expected to play. In fact, he was announced before the game as a starter, and Spurrier and Gamecocks defensive coordinator Lorenzo Ward indicated they were unaware Clowney wouldn't play until he informed them just before kickoff.

Albert Haynesworth?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I don't want Clowney.

Sorry but the very few plays where he gives an effort aren't worth it to have a defender out there who takes plays off.

Give me Boyd, Bridgewater, or Hundley over him. Especially with our need for a young franchise QB for our future.
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Phire wrote:
marky_b27 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000256681/article/jadeveon-clowney-sits-out-win-steve-spurrier-less-than-pleased

To add fuel to the anti-Clowney fire

Quote:
South Carolina star defensive end Jadeveon Clowney sat out the Gamecocks' win over Kentucky, reportedly with bruised ribs. But after the game, coach Steve Spurrier sounded like a coach fed up with excuses. The junior, who is among the top early-entry candidates for the 2014 NFL Draft, missed practice Thursday but was expected to play. In fact, he was announced before the game as a starter, and Spurrier and Gamecocks defensive coordinator Lorenzo Ward indicated they were unaware Clowney wouldn't play until he informed them just before kickoff.

Albert Haynesworth?


I'm not sure it's that bad. But it isn't much better.
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