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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:31 am    Post subject: Shumway's question of the week Reply with quote

In order to try to contribute to this forum a little, I'm going to try to start a new topic from time to time.

To provide some background about myself, I'm one of the few NFL fans in Australia. There is zero media coverage over here and frankly, I'm quite an amateur fan. But I love the sport nonetheless. Most of my Chargers 'wisdom' comes from the information you guys post on various forums. So in order to further my knowledge, I'm going to ask you questions. Some times in relation to thoughts on a player, sometimes a question about techniques / formations /playcalling etc.

This week:

What are your initial impressions on Fluker and Teo?

I know a lot of you were very negative on Fluker (and I was screaming for Star on draft day when he fell to us) due to slow feet / footwork. Same with Teo and his inability to shed a block.

Now, a few weeks in for Fluker and after a tiny sample size from Teo, it seems that they bring some real intangibles to the table from what I read.

Does this make up for their shortfalls? Were their shortfalls overstated? Or are you still unhappy with the picks?

And I know it's too early to really tell. But it's never to early to give opinions on message boards.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fluker has looked very solid to me, personally. He is definitely not particularly agile and he has a couple of plays where he's been flat out beaten (against Philly and then this game against Dallas), but overall for a rookie prospect, I've really liked him. He's strong enough to hold his own against anybody who lines up across from him, he just needs to improve his technique.

Can't really say with T'eo so far.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the only thing about Fluker is that we picked 11th and he is more a 20-25ish pick. I think since we reached for him we were disappointed. That is not saying that he won't be good or even great. At soley RT we kind of took him high. Saying that I think that he has been great. He has got beat a few times but has honestly looked as good or better than the LT's taken ahead of him so far. We should be set at RT foer the next 10 years and what more could you ask than that.
As far as Te'o, there is not enough to go by yet. I think the box score will not tell the story of his affect on this team. I noticed that he was always around at the end of plays so even though he only had 3 tackles he was everywhere. I think he will make others around him better and his tackles will come. He did have a shot at Bryant on the long touchdown. I would have liked to see a dive there. He would have not made the tackle but I would rather see that "not give up on the play" effort. Hopefully he can continue to improve to be "that guy" who seems to be in on every play.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been pleased with Fluker so far. Yeah, he has gotten beat....but that is expected, but he has looked more NFL ready then the other tackles taking before him.

Te'o has only played one game, so it is hard to gauge where he is.....ask me again in 3-4 weeks.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another question would be, does K. Allen have #1 potential? My wife said "he kinda looked like Malcolm Floyd out there today". Can't argue the way he went up and got that early pass. He looked more athletic on that sideline catch.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm impressed with Fluker. He might get beat in high-profile ways (I think he's given up 2 sacks so far), but they're rare, and that's encouraging. He's going a great job when he latches onto his opponent.

Wilkieray wrote:
Another question would be, does K. Allen have #1 potential? My wife said "he kinda looked like Malcolm Floyd out there today". Can't argue the way he went up and got that early pass. He looked more athletic on that sideline catch.


That's a good one. I'm tempted to say no, but that's probably because I think of a #1 receiver as someone who's a really special talent that many teams don't have.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fluker has played well so far, a solid upgrade from Clary and the kid is still learning. He has the passion for the game that we seemed to be missing from a majority of the team. I really like how he was hustling down the field on that Sean Lee pick 6. Fluker was the only white jersey in sight, dove to make the tackle. You don't see many offensive line guys do that.

Teo it is too early to judge. Even with him starting yesterday he was limited in snaps. He is definitely not physically there yet after missing so much time but early in the game he seemed to really have a nose for the ball and was in the action. I think he got tired during the game though.

Keenan Allen stepped up yesterday and I've been impressed with the kid. He has some good hands, is a very good route runner, and when he plants his feet to stop it is instantly. Is he a #1? Too early to tell but I think he will be a quality player as long as he is healthy.

I think in a few years we will look back at this draft and be satisfied with how things turned out.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fluker: I don't really have anything to add that others haven't already mentioned. He's been better than I expected in terms of pass-blocking. His run-blocking, meanwhile, probably isn't as good as I thought it would be. I care about pass-blocking *a lot* more than run-blocking for this team, though, so I don't really mind.

Te'o: Way too early.

Allen: He can be a #1 in the way that Floyd was our #1 when Meachem busted. I don't seem him being another true #1 like VJax/DX, though. He doesn't have the physical attributes for it, unless his technique becomes exceptional in the next few years.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seemed to be the only one to like Fluker before the draft, and i still do. He has good footwork, but a mental lapse caused one big sack. Where he's struggling is on big reaches, where a TE lines up on his side and runs a route. He'e having a hard time getting over to a DE/OLB that lined up outside the TE. I said that once he gets his hands on a rusher, it's over. That still holds true.

Allen is fine as a possession WR, but he's definitely not a #1. I think they need to switch roles with Brown and him. Brown has more deep play ability, and Allen is better on the short routes, or across the middle. He is what everybody thought he would be, a WR with good hands, that runs good routes, but is hindered by 4.6-4.7 speed.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrDrew wrote:
Allen is fine as a possession WR, but he's definitely not a #1. I think they need to switch roles with Brown and him. Brown has more deep play ability, and Allen is better on the short routes, or across the middle. He is what everybody thought he would be, a WR with good hands, that runs good routes, but is hindered by 4.6-4.7 speed.


That sounds good. Brown's looked fine as a blocker, but unless they're intentionally hiding him, he's going to waste. He has 15 receptions... and only 91 yards Laughing (that 6.1 YPR is the least of any WR in the league).
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allen's been successful when we've given him the outside routes, so I don't think we should stop that. His speed might indicate he'd be better in the slot, but so did VB's. Allen isn't the fastest, but he is one of the smoothest moving WRs I've seen and he just gets open.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JammerHammer21 wrote:
Allen's been successful when we've given him the outside routes, so I don't think we should stop that. His speed might indicate he'd be better in the slot, but so did VB's. Allen isn't the fastest, but he is one of the smoothest moving WRs I've seen and he just gets open.


The difference is that Allen plays to his speed, but Brown can beat guys deep. In what little we've seen him, he's done it. Let Allen beat guys with how well he runs a route, and let Brown be the downfield option.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really appreciate this thread and the surprising thing is there is a 'slight' disagreement among the rational FF Chargers fans!

I fall in the camp of Allen potentially being a #1 receiver. His route running is so smooth, he reminds me of a Reggie Wayne. In fact I would consider his ceiling to be Reggie Wayne, which is pretty damn good and certainly #1 potential. More importantly, I think Allen is a perfect fit for this offense. Like all of you I had high expectations for V. Brown this year, but I've been disappointed in his lack of separation. He doesn't appear to be our deep threat and has zero YAC ability. I'm not going to write off the ex-Aztec star, but I'm definitely higher on Keenan Allen

On another note, I read somewhere that the sack Fluker allowed on Sunday was actually a mistake on Hardick's part for snapping the ball too early. Can anyone confirm this?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread!

I guess if you look at the cold hard facts, Fluker has been OK.
I really like is attitude and it really shows up when he's run blocking.
On pass blocking he's struggling has expected, and in that regard he seems to be one of those "what you see is what you get" players, coming out of the draft.


Regarding Alen, I definitely don't consider him a potential #1.
I don't think he has the skill set or the physical ability to impose himself on a game, like a true #1.
What he brings his crisp route running and (so far) reliable hands.
I see him more as a Floyd replacemente (as others have mentioned), and a decent #2.
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