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Will Kubes remain as head coach if Texans don't make playoffs
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JOHNNY TEXAN


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:44 pm    Post subject: Head Coach Reply with quote

Texans Fans....What you think.
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amazingandre


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off....if we don't make the playoffs Gary has to be gone....


2nd, I think Garys play calling is fine, and I know I will be in the minority here, but seriously....i think its all about number 8 at this point....his inability to make consistent good decisions with the ball. He is erratic with his throws, still over and under throwing people all day long. his accuracy is just terrible. Now you get into the red zone and he just stops taking chances.....replace Schaub and see if the offense gets better or worse...if worse, then think about letting Gary go
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Pastor Dillon


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets not get carried away, we have lost 2 games to legit title contenders, and it's been solely based on bad play from Schaub...and while that's a problem, he will get it cleaned up enough that we probably make the playoffs

At this point I'm not sure that Yates would be an upgrade. We need a new QB, and I doubt we win a Super Bowl without a better one, but we have the #1 D in football and if Schaub just manages the game we can win

It's no coincidence that we are 0-2 without Duane Brown. We gave up big sacks on important plays today, we make a few more plays with brown in there
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kubiak should make the HOF for creating the QB Matt Schaub is. He has made a pro bowl QB out of a guy who should have been a career back up
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JOHNNY TEXAN


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pastor Dillon wrote:
Lets not get carried away, we have lost 2 games to legit title contenders, and it's been solely based on bad play from Schaub...and while that's a problem, he will get it cleaned up enough that we probably make the playoffs

At this point I'm not sure that Yates would be an upgrade. We need a new QB, and I doubt we win a Super Bowl without a better one, but we have the #1 D in football and if Schaub just manages the game we can win

It's no coincidence that we are 0-2 without Duane Brown. We gave up big sacks on important plays today, we make a few more plays with brown in there


What concerns me, Is How schaub responded after the pick 6, Deer in the head lights look, Very good QB'S (brees,manning, rodgers, brady) etc, would have different approach, Redemption! Schaub looked like he wanted to be anywhere but there, late in the 4th and OT, 1 play in OT he just dropped, taking the sack, I just don't think he has what it takes to handle adversity or pressure situations, Why noyt give the youngsters (QB) a shot, it fared pretty well for SF last yr.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yates is basically a Schuab clone. I'd be all for giving Him a chance, but it would be forfeiting our season
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pastor Dillon wrote:
Yates is basically a Schuab clone. I'd be all for giving Him a chance, but it would be forfeiting our season


I don't think he is at all, but at this point NONE of us know until we see him play for an extended period of time with an open play book, none of this coddling him BS
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Case Keenum.
This is the exact right time to start Keenum, you've given the Star QB all his chances but in the end not only isn't he not making the plays in pressure situations, he's also screwing up the game in non pressure situations.

Now the Case Keenum legend will rise

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Texansfan713


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just watched the press conferences of Mike Tomlin and Tom Couglin. Both teams are 0-4 and their reactions were how you expect it to be. Meanwhile our team is 2-2 and Gary Kubiak doesnt even seem pissed in his press conferences yet he says "It's on me". When will he get the picture?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WILL he be gone if we don't make the playoffs? Only Bob McNair can answer that question for you. SHOULD he be gone? Absolutely, I wanted him gone 3 yrs. ago. For an offensive genius/QB guru, our offense sucks.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heres my question: Is Kubiak gone the next time we dont make the playoffs regardless of when that is? If we make the playoffs say 5 years straight and then miss out are we really going to fire Kubiak?

i think he has 1 more year on his contract after this season right? he signed a 3 year deal before last year, or was it before this season?

that will play a part in it as well, i would imagine he comes back next season if its the last year of his deal, unless we finish like 4-12 or something like that
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kubiak is coming off the two most successful seasons in franchise history, and the team is still in fine position to make the playoffs. Why is this even a question?
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kanedafx


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I just said in another thread, SHOULD he be gone? Of course.

Will he? Of course not. Just making the playoffs 2 years in a row probably insured that he will keep his job for the next 3 years no matter how bad he is.

And if you ask the owner, he'll just point to those 2 playoff wins and say something like "Kubiak is a good coach, he's had his ups and downs, but you don't change horses at the first sign of trouble..." blah blah blah.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grasspike wrote:
Kubiak is coming off the two most successful seasons in franchise history, and the team is still in fine position to make the playoffs. Why is this even a question?


Because those seasons were largely made possible because he was stripped of his power to screw up the defense with his practice of hiring substandard cronies that would be loyal rather than good. Wade Phillips was forced on him and we fielded the first truly competent defense in Texans history.

Because he refuses to hold even lower end coaching staff accountable for obvious gaffes such Joe Maricano's coverage teams and inability to rid Jacoby and Holliday of their mental errors to maximize their potential as was clearly done by Baltimore & Denver's staff. This is even more inexcusable since we have a DC nearing retirement with no logical successor (Vance Joseph unit has been the mistake prone weak link for 2 straight seasons despite sucking up budget and draft picks) and Marciano's been stuck on the same career ladder for 31 years now.

Because he has built an offense that is good enough rack up yardage and score against bad teams, but cannot hang with the teams we will need to get through to win Super Bowls. Instead of endeavoring to evolve, he continues to hit the "rinse/repeat" button on plays that CLEARLY the opponent has come to expect. His best offensive years were when Kyle Shanahan was here and instead of recognizing his limitations as a playcaller, he stubbornly insists upon being the man calling the shots because any sort of creativity might lose the game because Lil Shanny made one dumb playcall 4 years ago (Chris Brown halfback option).

Because he has always been a terrible manager of the clock, ignores game flow, poor motivator, doesn't work officials, terrible halftime adjustments, terrible short yardage playcaller, terrible red zone playcaller, terrible opp. 32-40 yard line "non-mans land" playcaller, questionable go/kick decisions... basically everything a coach gets paid for on gameday.

So what you are left with is a coach who is really good at getting his offensive players to execute 3 or 4 core plays and robotically execute his script. Sometimes that is enough to win, but when teams adjust to the stretch play and sniff out play action, he is screwed. He is a decent even keel guy who does manage to sometimes get more out of players than their talent indicates by methodically training them to execute the system Shanny taught him, but being a good coach in "practice" will only get you so far.

There is no excusing Schaub for just an awful decision in throwing that latest pick 6, but the simple fact is that that throw AND the one vs. Tenn would have NEVER happened had Gary just put the game away when the opportunities were in his lap, instead conceding points for short field goals, long field goal attempts, or punts in opponents territory. He is a massive wet blanket who still doesn't understand that 90% of our mistakes have happened when we have taken our foot off the gas, rather than in being too aggressive. His hyper-conservative approach then almost always leads to situations of much greater risk like these 3rd and long pass plays with a vulnerable o-line and Qb late in games.

To me there is no more obvious sign of the failure of Kubiak's "plan" than to have Matt Schaub throwing an AFC high 177 passes (44 per game avg.) which is just as great a misuse of a player as Arian Foster's 400+ carries last year. 4 Games is an adequate sample size to tell you that however you are doing it, you are putting your QB in a position each game to throw 10 more passes than he should and it just so happens that 3 games in a row, one of those has been returned for a defensive touchdown, which are game killers when you are squandering early scoring opportunities. Similarly, the defense is being asked to play 2 or 3 series too many and are fading in the 2nd half even though the nature of defense spreads the blame even if allowing a 99 yard drive in the 4th quarter was almost as damaging as the pick 6.

If we had a real OC we would merely be in the exact same position the Ravens were last year when they ditched Cam Cameron for Jim Caldwell because his stale approach had lost any effectiveness it once had and was losing them more games than it was winning for them. Problem is Kubiak surrounded himself again by under qualified yes men on offense and there isn't anyone to hand the reigns off to, much like at QB where he was very careful to only have backup QBs on the roster who wouldn't threaten His starter. At this point he is ALL IN on himself and Schaub and as far as I'm concerned the ship goes down with BOTH of them on it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apollo Stallion wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Kubiak is coming off the two most successful seasons in franchise history, and the team is still in fine position to make the playoffs. Why is this even a question?


Because those seasons were largely made possible because he was stripped of his power to screw up the defense with his practice of hiring substandard cronies that would be loyal rather than good. Wade Phillips was forced on him and we fielded the first truly competent defense in Texans history.

Because he refuses to hold even lower end coaching staff accountable for obvious gaffes such Joe Maricano's coverage teams and inability to rid Jacoby and Holliday of their mental errors to maximize their potential as was clearly done by Baltimore & Denver's staff. This is even more inexcusable since we have a DC nearing retirement with no logical successor (Vance Joseph unit has been the mistake prone weak link for 2 straight seasons despite sucking up budget and draft picks) and Marciano's been stuck on the same career ladder for 31 years now.

Because he has built an offense that is good enough rack up yardage and score against bad teams, but cannot hang with the teams we will need to get through to win Super Bowls. Instead of endeavoring to evolve, he continues to hit the "rinse/repeat" button on plays that CLEARLY the opponent has come to expect. His best offensive years were when Kyle Shanahan was here and instead of recognizing his limitations as a playcaller, he stubbornly insists upon being the man calling the shots because any sort of creativity might lose the game because Lil Shanny made one dumb playcall 4 years ago (Chris Brown halfback option).

Because he has always been a terrible manager of the clock, ignores game flow, poor motivator, doesn't work officials, terrible halftime adjustments, terrible short yardage playcaller, terrible red zone playcaller, terrible opp. 32-40 yard line "non-mans land" playcaller, questionable go/kick decisions... basically everything a coach gets paid for on gameday.

So what you are left with is a coach who is really good at getting his offensive players to execute 3 or 4 core plays and robotically execute his script. Sometimes that is enough to win, but when teams adjust to the stretch play and sniff out play action, he is screwed. He is a decent even keel guy who does manage to sometimes get more out of players than their talent indicates by methodically training them to execute the system Shanny taught him, but being a good coach in "practice" will only get you so far.

There is no excusing Schaub for just an awful decision in throwing that latest pick 6, but the simple fact is that that throw AND the one vs. Tenn would have NEVER happened had Gary just put the game away when the opportunities were in his lap, instead conceding points for short field goals, long field goal attempts, or punts in opponents territory. He is a massive wet blanket who still doesn't understand that 90% of our mistakes have happened when we have taken our foot off the gas, rather than in being too aggressive. His hyper-conservative approach then almost always leads to situations of much greater risk like these 3rd and long pass plays with a vulnerable o-line and Qb late in games.

To me there is no more obvious sign of the failure of Kubiak's "plan" than to have Matt Schaub throwing an AFC high 177 passes (44 per game avg.) which is just as great a misuse of a player as Arian Foster's 400+ carries last year. 4 Games is an adequate sample size to tell you that however you are doing it, you are putting your QB in a position each game to throw 10 more passes than he should and it just so happens that 3 games in a row, one of those has been returned for a defensive touchdown, which are game killers when you are squandering early scoring opportunities. Similarly, the defense is being asked to play 2 or 3 series too many and are fading in the 2nd half even though the nature of defense spreads the blame even if allowing a 99 yard drive in the 4th quarter was almost as damaging as the pick 6.

If we had a real OC we would merely be in the exact same position the Ravens were last year when they ditched Cam Cameron for Jim Caldwell because his stale approach had lost any effectiveness it once had and was losing them more games than it was winning for them. Problem is Kubiak surrounded himself again by under qualified yes men on offense and there isn't anyone to hand the reigns off to, much like at QB where he was very careful to only have backup QBs on the roster who wouldn't threaten His starter. At this point he is ALL IN on himself and Schaub and as far as I'm concerned the ship goes down with BOTH of them on it.


Wow, we agree on so much, why can't we just get along? Very Happy
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