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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think theres literally a 0% chance Greg Hardy leaves Carolina. At the very least he'll just get tagged. I think with the amount of money that Cincinnati has locked up in the Dline already in Atkins & Dunlap that they have come to grips with not being able to afford a 3rd, I think Johnson hits free agency. He seems like a pretty ideal target for Emery, long and athletic, quick first step, it's definitely possible.

If I had to take a guess though, it seems like Emery gets tempted more with DL in the earlier rounds (Jamaal Anderson/Glenn Dorsey/Tyson Jackson) than he does CB. I know he wasn't a GM and just upper level scouting but he still obviously had a heavy hand in those picks. I think if indeed Tillman is done in Chicago, we can't rely on TJ or a draft pick to come in and man down the #1 CB position... It will have to be a Free Agent signing combined with a draft pick to provide depth IMO but in the middle rounds 3-5.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think theres literally a 0% chance Greg Hardy leaves Carolina. At the very least he'll just get tagged. I think with the amount of money that Cincinnati has locked up in the Dline already in Atkins & Dunlap that they have come to grips with not being able to afford a 3rd, I think Johnson hits free agency. He seems like a pretty ideal target for Emery, long and athletic, quick first step, it's definitely possible.

If I had to take a guess though, it seems like Emery gets tempted more with DL in the earlier rounds (Jamaal Anderson/Glenn Dorsey/Tyson Jackson) than he does CB. I know he wasn't a GM and just upper level scouting but he still obviously had a heavy hand in those picks. I think if indeed Tillman is done in Chicago, we can't rely on TJ or a draft pick to come in and man down the #1 CB position... It will have to be a Free Agent signing combined with a draft pick to provide depth IMO but in the middle rounds 3-5.
Hardy is already talking extension with them. Bennett and Griffen are likely resigns as well.

I have us signing Michael Johnson in my mock for 6yrs $50mil.

Then it's a toss up between Hageman and Roby in the first.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaMike wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
I think theres literally a 0% chance Greg Hardy leaves Carolina. At the very least he'll just get tagged. I think with the amount of money that Cincinnati has locked up in the Dline already in Atkins & Dunlap that they have come to grips with not being able to afford a 3rd, I think Johnson hits free agency. He seems like a pretty ideal target for Emery, long and athletic, quick first step, it's definitely possible.

If I had to take a guess though, it seems like Emery gets tempted more with DL in the earlier rounds (Jamaal Anderson/Glenn Dorsey/Tyson Jackson) than he does CB. I know he wasn't a GM and just upper level scouting but he still obviously had a heavy hand in those picks. I think if indeed Tillman is done in Chicago, we can't rely on TJ or a draft pick to come in and man down the #1 CB position... It will have to be a Free Agent signing combined with a draft pick to provide depth IMO but in the middle rounds 3-5.
Hardy is already talking extension with them. Bennett and Griffen are likely resigns as well.

I have us signing Michael Johnson in my mock for 6yrs $50mil.

Then it's a toss up between Hageman and Roby in the first.


This is along what I am thinking also, but what do I know. This is the draft I have so far, I don't really know what to do in the 4th.

1. RaShede Hageman, DT
2. Darqueze Dennard, CB
3. Deonne Bucannon, S
4. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB
5. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB
6.
6.
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blkwdw13 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
I think theres literally a 0% chance Greg Hardy leaves Carolina. At the very least he'll just get tagged. I think with the amount of money that Cincinnati has locked up in the Dline already in Atkins & Dunlap that they have come to grips with not being able to afford a 3rd, I think Johnson hits free agency. He seems like a pretty ideal target for Emery, long and athletic, quick first step, it's definitely possible.

If I had to take a guess though, it seems like Emery gets tempted more with DL in the earlier rounds (Jamaal Anderson/Glenn Dorsey/Tyson Jackson) than he does CB. I know he wasn't a GM and just upper level scouting but he still obviously had a heavy hand in those picks. I think if indeed Tillman is done in Chicago, we can't rely on TJ or a draft pick to come in and man down the #1 CB position... It will have to be a Free Agent signing combined with a draft pick to provide depth IMO but in the middle rounds 3-5.
Hardy is already talking extension with them. Bennett and Griffen are likely resigns as well.

I have us signing Michael Johnson in my mock for 6yrs $50mil.

Then it's a toss up between Hageman and Roby in the first.


This is along what I am thinking also, but what do I know. This is the draft I have so far, I don't really know what to do in the 4th.

1. RaShede Hageman, DT
2. Darqueze Dennard, CB
3. Deonne Bucannon, S
4. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB
5. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB
6.
6.
I've never watched SJB put the other picks would all be good.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we will go secondary in free agency and then we will draft DL for a couple of reasons.

1. Secondary is usually cheaper than defensive line help in free agency.

2. There are more options in free agency. The elite rushers probably won't hit the market.
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DaMike wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
I think theres literally a 0% chance Greg Hardy leaves Carolina. At the very least he'll just get tagged. I think with the amount of money that Cincinnati has locked up in the Dline already in Atkins & Dunlap that they have come to grips with not being able to afford a 3rd, I think Johnson hits free agency. He seems like a pretty ideal target for Emery, long and athletic, quick first step, it's definitely possible.

If I had to take a guess though, it seems like Emery gets tempted more with DL in the earlier rounds (Jamaal Anderson/Glenn Dorsey/Tyson Jackson) than he does CB. I know he wasn't a GM and just upper level scouting but he still obviously had a heavy hand in those picks. I think if indeed Tillman is done in Chicago, we can't rely on TJ or a draft pick to come in and man down the #1 CB position... It will have to be a Free Agent signing combined with a draft pick to provide depth IMO but in the middle rounds 3-5.
Hardy is already talking extension with them. Bennett and Griffen are likely resigns as well.

I have us signing Michael Johnson in my mock for 6yrs $50mil.

Then it's a toss up between Hageman and Roby in the first.

It was bound to happen... And the way Pete Carrol has talked publicly about Michael Bennett I'd be shocked if he saw the market either. Bradley Roby in the 1st is a really intriguing idea, although I guarantee he'd fall to us and we'd all think it's a sure thing and than next thing you know Emery picks Kyle Fuller.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigsooie5 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
I think theres literally a 0% chance Greg Hardy leaves Carolina. At the very least he'll just get tagged. I think with the amount of money that Cincinnati has locked up in the Dline already in Atkins & Dunlap that they have come to grips with not being able to afford a 3rd, I think Johnson hits free agency. He seems like a pretty ideal target for Emery, long and athletic, quick first step, it's definitely possible.

If I had to take a guess though, it seems like Emery gets tempted more with DL in the earlier rounds (Jamaal Anderson/Glenn Dorsey/Tyson Jackson) than he does CB. I know he wasn't a GM and just upper level scouting but he still obviously had a heavy hand in those picks. I think if indeed Tillman is done in Chicago, we can't rely on TJ or a draft pick to come in and man down the #1 CB position... It will have to be a Free Agent signing combined with a draft pick to provide depth IMO but in the middle rounds 3-5.
Hardy is already talking extension with them. Bennett and Griffen are likely resigns as well.

I have us signing Michael Johnson in my mock for 6yrs $50mil.

Then it's a toss up between Hageman and Roby in the first.

It was bound to happen... And the way Pete Carrol has talked publicly about Michael Bennett I'd be shocked if he saw the market either. Bradley Roby in the 1st is a really intriguing idea, although I guarantee he'd fall to us and we'd all think it's a sure thing and than next thing you know Emery picks Kyle Fuller.
Roby is 10x the athlete Fuller is though. That's why I think Emery would prefer Roby. Roby has that pro bowl potential. I could see him running in the low 4.3s. Kid can flat out fly. Fuller doesnt have then same kind of long speed, though he is fast enough, and he isnt as fluid as Roby.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaMike wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
I think theres literally a 0% chance Greg Hardy leaves Carolina. At the very least he'll just get tagged. I think with the amount of money that Cincinnati has locked up in the Dline already in Atkins & Dunlap that they have come to grips with not being able to afford a 3rd, I think Johnson hits free agency. He seems like a pretty ideal target for Emery, long and athletic, quick first step, it's definitely possible.

If I had to take a guess though, it seems like Emery gets tempted more with DL in the earlier rounds (Jamaal Anderson/Glenn Dorsey/Tyson Jackson) than he does CB. I know he wasn't a GM and just upper level scouting but he still obviously had a heavy hand in those picks. I think if indeed Tillman is done in Chicago, we can't rely on TJ or a draft pick to come in and man down the #1 CB position... It will have to be a Free Agent signing combined with a draft pick to provide depth IMO but in the middle rounds 3-5.
Hardy is already talking extension with them. Bennett and Griffen are likely resigns as well.

I have us signing Michael Johnson in my mock for 6yrs $50mil.

Then it's a toss up between Hageman and Roby in the first.

It was bound to happen... And the way Pete Carrol has talked publicly about Michael Bennett I'd be shocked if he saw the market either. Bradley Roby in the 1st is a really intriguing idea, although I guarantee he'd fall to us and we'd all think it's a sure thing and than next thing you know Emery picks Kyle Fuller.
Roby is 10x the athlete Fuller is though. That's why I think Emery would prefer Roby. Roby has that pro bowl potential. I could see him running in the low 4.3s. Kid can flat out fly. Fuller doesnt have then same kind of long speed, though he is fast enough, and he isnt as fluid as Roby.


Roby is without doubt the better athlete…but Fuller is the better football player at this point…I think we would go with Roby’s potential if we did go CB in round 1 but no one should be disappointed if we picked up Fuller.
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Madmike90 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
I think theres literally a 0% chance Greg Hardy leaves Carolina. At the very least he'll just get tagged. I think with the amount of money that Cincinnati has locked up in the Dline already in Atkins & Dunlap that they have come to grips with not being able to afford a 3rd, I think Johnson hits free agency. He seems like a pretty ideal target for Emery, long and athletic, quick first step, it's definitely possible.

If I had to take a guess though, it seems like Emery gets tempted more with DL in the earlier rounds (Jamaal Anderson/Glenn Dorsey/Tyson Jackson) than he does CB. I know he wasn't a GM and just upper level scouting but he still obviously had a heavy hand in those picks. I think if indeed Tillman is done in Chicago, we can't rely on TJ or a draft pick to come in and man down the #1 CB position... It will have to be a Free Agent signing combined with a draft pick to provide depth IMO but in the middle rounds 3-5.
Hardy is already talking extension with them. Bennett and Griffen are likely resigns as well.

I have us signing Michael Johnson in my mock for 6yrs $50mil.

Then it's a toss up between Hageman and Roby in the first.

It was bound to happen... And the way Pete Carrol has talked publicly about Michael Bennett I'd be shocked if he saw the market either. Bradley Roby in the 1st is a really intriguing idea, although I guarantee he'd fall to us and we'd all think it's a sure thing and than next thing you know Emery picks Kyle Fuller.
Roby is 10x the athlete Fuller is though. That's why I think Emery would prefer Roby. Roby has that pro bowl potential. I could see him running in the low 4.3s. Kid can flat out fly. Fuller doesnt have then same kind of long speed, though he is fast enough, and he isnt as fluid as Roby.


Roby is without doubt the better athlete…but Fuller is the better football player at this point…I think we would go with Roby’s potential if we did go CB in round 1 but no one should be disappointed if we picked up Fuller.
I think Fuller is probably better now because he's more consistent but I would definitely draft Roby over Fuller. Fuller would be a great option in round 2.
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DaMike wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
I think theres literally a 0% chance Greg Hardy leaves Carolina. At the very least he'll just get tagged. I think with the amount of money that Cincinnati has locked up in the Dline already in Atkins & Dunlap that they have come to grips with not being able to afford a 3rd, I think Johnson hits free agency. He seems like a pretty ideal target for Emery, long and athletic, quick first step, it's definitely possible.

If I had to take a guess though, it seems like Emery gets tempted more with DL in the earlier rounds (Jamaal Anderson/Glenn Dorsey/Tyson Jackson) than he does CB. I know he wasn't a GM and just upper level scouting but he still obviously had a heavy hand in those picks. I think if indeed Tillman is done in Chicago, we can't rely on TJ or a draft pick to come in and man down the #1 CB position... It will have to be a Free Agent signing combined with a draft pick to provide depth IMO but in the middle rounds 3-5.
Hardy is already talking extension with them. Bennett and Griffen are likely resigns as well.

I have us signing Michael Johnson in my mock for 6yrs $50mil.

Then it's a toss up between Hageman and Roby in the first.

It was bound to happen... And the way Pete Carrol has talked publicly about Michael Bennett I'd be shocked if he saw the market either. Bradley Roby in the 1st is a really intriguing idea, although I guarantee he'd fall to us and we'd all think it's a sure thing and than next thing you know Emery picks Kyle Fuller.
Roby is 10x the athlete Fuller is though. That's why I think Emery would prefer Roby. Roby has that pro bowl potential. I could see him running in the low 4.3s. Kid can flat out fly. Fuller doesnt have then same kind of long speed, though he is fast enough, and he isnt as fluid as Roby.


Roby is without doubt the better athlete…but Fuller is the better football player at this point…I think we would go with Roby’s potential if we did go CB in round 1 but no one should be disappointed if we picked up Fuller.
I think Fuller is probably better now because he's more consistent but I would definitely draft Roby over Fuller. Fuller would be a great option in round 2.


I would prefer to get Fuller in round 2 but would have no problem getting him towards the end of the 1st...I can't see us not trading down with the way Emery has spoken this season.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont feel like making a thread so I'll just post this here. I actually really like this one.

Gone: Jordan Palmer, Michael Bush, Eric Weems, Earl Bennett, Roberto Garza, Nate Collins, Julius Peppers, James Anderson, Kelvin Hayden, Corey Wootton, Craig Steltz

Resign:
Jay Cutler 5yr $70mil
Matt Slauson 4yr $10mil
Henry Melton 2yr $10mil
Tim Jennings 5yr $25mil
Robbie Gould 3yr $9mil
Bowman / McMannis / Williams / Costanzo 1-2yr league min

Free Agents:
Donald Brown RB Colts 3yr $5mil
Michael Johnson DE Bengals 6yr $50mil
Jason Worilds DE Steelers 4yr $10mil
Fred Davis TE Redskins 2yr $5mil
Mike Mitchell S Panthers 5yr $18mil
Fernando Velasco C Steelers 3yr $7mil

1 Bradley Roby CB Ohio State
2 Aaron Donald UT Pittsburgh
3 Stephen Morris QB Miami
4 Telvin Smith LB Florida State
5 Trade to Cleveland for Greg Little WR
6 Tracy Moore WR Oklahoma State
6 Kirby Van Der Kamp P Iowa State

QB: Cutler, Morris, McCown
HB: Forte, Brown, Ford
FB: Fiammetta
TE: Bennett, Davis, Rosario
WR: Marshall, Jeffery, Little, Wilson, Moore
OT: Bushrod(LT), Mills(RT), Britton
IOL: Long(RG), Slauson(LG), Velasco(C), Brown, Boggs

DE: McClellin(LE), Johnson(RE), Worilds, Bass, Washington
DT: Melton(UT), Paea(NT), Ratliff, Donald, Cohen
LB: Briggs(W), Bostic(M), Greene(S), Smith, Williams, Costanzo
CB: Roby(R), Jennings(L), Frey(N), Bowman, McManis, Wilson
S: Mitchell(F), Wright(S), Conte, Walters
ST: Gould(K), Van Der Kamp(P), Mannelly(LS), Ford(RS)
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Something tells me if Johnson is the only top pass rusher that hits the market he is going to get priced out of our range.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
Something tells me if Johnson is the only top pass rusher that hits the market he is going to get priced out of our range.
To an extent I can see that but I think that is good money for a very good but not elite DE.

If we can trade down of course but it's hard to do and I don't think Fuller is athletic enough to go round 1. I see him as more of a solid #2.
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I knew Gayle's stock was rising since he's been playing so well but Pauline is saying Ealy and Gayle are potential top 40 picks currently. Could be gone before we pick in round 2.
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pigsooie5 wrote:
I think theres literally a 0% chance Greg Hardy leaves Carolina.


I think it’s way too early to rule anything out at this point…every year teams are talking to their own guys about extensions but free agents and their agents aren’t going to take even a fair offer when they know the open market will be very strong for them.
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