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Would You go after Freeman?
Yes
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 29%  [ 5 ]
No
70%
 70%  [ 12 ]
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pledger_shaggy


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:49 pm    Post subject: Josh Freeman (hear me out) Reply with quote

He was a damn good QB early made a Pro Bowl in 2010 he went 26TD to 6 Ints threw for almost 3500 yds and was talked about as that next star under Raheem Morris, Then a bad year and Morris gone Schiano comes in and Freeman just isn't the QB he brought in so he won't fight for him and by all accounts he's a hard [inappropriate/removed] and players don't like him. He has more 3rd and 9 or more attempts in his career than any other QB. Because of that and playing so far behind the chains it makes it extremely difficult on QB's (especially young ones)

Now Kubiak is suppoed to be a QB Guru. And our system would thrive with a big armed QB who can move around and extend plays and even threaten by running on those naked bootlegs.

This year he could come on the cheap in free agency and he'd have the ability to sit learn the offense behind Schaub and take over at the appropriate time after he is comfortable in the system. We would hten have a 1st Rd QB with 1st round talent who has shown first round ability, and would have him at a much lower cap #

I think Freeman is victim of the Alex Smith syndrome. He lost his confidence and Schiano has been killing it since. Kubiak can restore his confudence much the way Harbaugh did for Alex Smith who was playing great before getting concussed and has picked up where he left off w/ Reid in KC now.
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Apollo Stallion


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No thanks. Let the Raiders go after Jason Campbell II. Kubiak's system requires a willing student and Freeman is the same inaccurate turnover prone mess he was at K-State and he hasn't shown any signs that he is coachable. The dude throws a pretty long ball and is a graceful runner, but success at QB in the NFL is much more about decision making, accuracy & touch, pocket presence, leadership and work ethic. It's one of the reasons I'm not surprised that Russell Wilson is still doing well this year while Kaepernick is struggling as Wilson is just so much more evolved than Kaepernick who is lost if he can't run or find a deep target running free.

Ultimately QBs have to operate well within their system. That doesn't mean there still isn't room to evolve the system to the strengths of the player and a little improvisation is okay, but there is a huge difference between someone like RG3 who can execute the system and make it even better by bringing new elements to it and guys like Vick & Freeman that never bother to work within a system which inevitably devolves into coaches just letting them rely on their innate athleticism which produces erratic results. The dude led K-State to a whopping 17-20 record in his 3 years there and sits at 24-35 as a pro.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apollo Stallion wrote:
No thanks. Let the Raiders go after Jason Campbell II. Kubiak's system requires a willing student and Freeman is the same inaccurate turnover prone mess he was at K-State and he hasn't shown any signs that he is coachable. The dude throws a pretty long ball and is a graceful runner, but success at QB in the NFL is much more about decision making, accuracy & touch, pocket presence, leadership and work ethic. It's one of the reasons I'm not surprised that Russell Wilson is still doing well this year while Kaepernick is struggling as Wilson is just so much more evolved than Kaepernick who is lost if he can't run or find a deep target running free.

Ultimately QBs have to operate well within their system. That doesn't mean there still isn't room to evolve the system to the strengths of the player and a little improvisation is okay, but there is a huge difference between someone like RG3 who can execute the system and make it even better by bringing new elements to it and guys like Vick & Freeman that never bother to work within a system which inevitably devolves into coaches just letting them rely on their innate athleticism which produces erratic results. The dude led K-State to a whopping 17-20 record in his 3 years there and sits at 24-35 as a pro.


Yea because K state and the Bucs are amazing programs.....not to mention, your boy RG3 isn't good either. Another running qb "bust"...I will give you that one
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ManInTheMirror


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't understand the backup QB situation anymore. Should we just cut Yates and Keenum? Why keep them around if they aren't starting caliber. During preaseason they were battling for the back up spot and both were impressive. But throw all that out the window for Josh Freeman? Get real.
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Jacobys Homey


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amazingandre wrote:
Apollo Stallion wrote:
No thanks. Let the Raiders go after Jason Campbell II. Kubiak's system requires a willing student and Freeman is the same inaccurate turnover prone mess he was at K-State and he hasn't shown any signs that he is coachable. The dude throws a pretty long ball and is a graceful runner, but success at QB in the NFL is much more about decision making, accuracy & touch, pocket presence, leadership and work ethic. It's one of the reasons I'm not surprised that Russell Wilson is still doing well this year while Kaepernick is struggling as Wilson is just so much more evolved than Kaepernick who is lost if he can't run or find a deep target running free.

Ultimately QBs have to operate well within their system. That doesn't mean there still isn't room to evolve the system to the strengths of the player and a little improvisation is okay, but there is a huge difference between someone like RG3 who can execute the system and make it even better by bringing new elements to it and guys like Vick & Freeman that never bother to work within a system which inevitably devolves into coaches just letting them rely on their innate athleticism which produces erratic results. The dude led K-State to a whopping 17-20 record in his 3 years there and sits at 24-35 as a pro.


Yea because K state and the Bucs are amazing programs.....


What are you talking about? I don't think you know.
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kanedafx


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok Schaub is terrible but why would you go from suck to suck?
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norg


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does not seem like the Type of QB KUBES likes IMO


he likes the Nerds the Film room junkies the Leaders on and off the field the system QB's if u would


not the QB's who goes out a lot and parties drinks and does Blow LOL


face it guyz either Yates or Keenum is our QB of the future LOL
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Apollo Stallion


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

amazingandre wrote:
Apollo Stallion wrote:
No thanks. Let the Raiders go after Jason Campbell II. Kubiak's system requires a willing student and Freeman is the same inaccurate turnover prone mess he was at K-State and he hasn't shown any signs that he is coachable. The dude throws a pretty long ball and is a graceful runner, but success at QB in the NFL is much more about decision making, accuracy & touch, pocket presence, leadership and work ethic. It's one of the reasons I'm not surprised that Russell Wilson is still doing well this year while Kaepernick is struggling as Wilson is just so much more evolved than Kaepernick who is lost if he can't run or find a deep target running free.

Ultimately QBs have to operate well within their system. That doesn't mean there still isn't room to evolve the system to the strengths of the player and a little improvisation is okay, but there is a huge difference between someone like RG3 who can execute the system and make it even better by bringing new elements to it and guys like Vick & Freeman that never bother to work within a system which inevitably devolves into coaches just letting them rely on their innate athleticism which produces erratic results. The dude led K-State to a whopping 17-20 record in his 3 years there and sits at 24-35 as a pro.


Yea because K state and the Bucs are amazing programs.....not to mention, your boy RG3 isn't good either. Another running qb "bust"...I will give you that one


Um - they were ranked #1 as late as week 12 last year (before Baylor knocked them off) and finished top 15 past 2 seasons. They were a consistent top 25 team for years before they forced Snyder out to shoehorn Ron Prince in there to get Freeman then reinstalled Snyder. Just because CBS & ESPN devote 75% of their attention to 1 conference and define every other conference by how the 2 big state schools are doing, doesn't mean that there aren't great programs out there that are consistently good despite operating on budgets 1/2 or even 1/3 the size of the glamour programs.
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lumberjackchris


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freeman's officially been released and is considered a vested vet and doesn't have to go through waviers.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lumberjackchris wrote:
Freeman's officially been released and is considered a vested vet and doesn't have to go through waviers.


Jags are gunna sign him.
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texansfan


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No thanks. I agree with the comments Apollo made about the guy. To build on that, you can't bring him in because it would divide this team. As soon as Schaub threw a bad pass or had a bad half, the fans would be clamouring for the big backup. I think that would end up tearing the team apart and dooming the season. We have a terrific defense, and multiple pro-bowl offensive players so let's play the season out and see where we are at. We lost a heartbreaker to one of the top teams in football, it's too early to throw in the towel.
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